The Punisher is R1b!

[Power77]

African R1b is V88 nothing to do with M269 and Steppe.

I wouldn't that say V88 has "nothing to do with M269 and the Steppe".

[kingmob]

I wouldn't that say V88 has "nothing to do with M269 and the Steppe".

Oh, is that right.

Can you reference 1 steppe sample with v88 or upstream of it.

[Power77]

Oh, is that right.

Can you reference 1 steppe sample with v88 or upstream of it.

It's still R1b, isn't it? Chadic-speaking Africans got it relatively recently from Eurasians. Deal with it!

[kingmob]

It's still R1b, isn't it? Chadic-speaking Africans got it relatively recently from Eurasians. Deal with it!

Deal with what.

R1b-V88 upstream V2219 split from L754 15K years before present.. It's completely irrelevant to the Steppe m269, just some random HG lineage.

You are just a clueless buffoon.

[Power77]

Deal with what.

R1b-V88 upstream V2219 split from L754 15K years before present.. It's completely irrelevant to the Steppe m269, just some random HG lineage.

You are just a clueless buffoon.

I don't buy the timing. You're a clueless Evolutionist!

[Miko]

Jewish R1b is almost entirely downstream of Z2103>R-M12149>L584, which is the Yamnaya-Caucasus route, the eventual Proto-Armenic speakers.

I bet most Jewish R1b is the Greek/Turkish/Caucasian branch.
And they must have been Oriental since Roman times

[Abti]

@Miko There are also Pre-L23 clades in there as well. It’s pretty clear they’d be apart of the Jewish ethnogenesis. You don’t find it one but mostly ALL Jews. With their TMRCA way before conversion was even possible. R2-M124 is def Jewish, so is R1a-M198, some R1b-L23 and Pre-L23.

[Power77]

@Miko


There are also Pre-L23 clades in there as well. It’s pretty clear they’d be apart of the Jewish ethnogenesis. You don’t find it one but mostly ALL Jews. With their TMRCA way before conversion was even possible. R2-M124 is def Jewish, so is R1a-M198, some R1b-L23 and Pre-L23.

Sounds like Persian or Hittite input to me. They probably picked up those lineages between the Babylonian Exile and the Persian Era. One thing is certain though: R2, R1b-L23, and even R1a-Z93 are all less authentically Jewish than J1 and J2.

[Abti]

Sounds like Persian or Hittite input to me. They probably picked up those lineages between the Babylonian Exile and the Persian Era. One thing is certain though: R2, R1b-L23, and even R1a-Z93 are all less authentically Jewish than J1 and J2.

Haven’t you ever thought that maybe these clades aren’t recent converts? Just maybe? R-CTS6 able to be found in Kurds is also able to be found in Western Jews dude. There was a discussion on AG about supposed origins of some J-M172 clades most would be Mesopotamian or Anatolian in origin surprisingly. Talking about J-M92, J-L25, & J-M319 clades the latter clade of J-M319 seems almost Minoa-Mycenae influenced. A user there claimed he had an Roman converted lineage of the J-M172 clade. Most J1-M267 clades on the other hand seems to be mostly Canaanite in origin, that has been granted at least. And plus, I’ve posted frequencies of high R1-M173 stats for Jews of 3 diasporas so I don’t know what that means in this context.

[kingmob]

I bet most Jewish R1b is the Greek/Turkish/Caucasian branch.
And they must have been Oriental since Roman times

That's what I've said.