Brussels shooting: 'Europe shaken' after two Swedes shot dead

[Jehan]

It's terrible. I just hope the victims were Christians.

Did you made a spelling mystake? I don't get it.

[Victor]

Did you made a spelling mystake? I don't get it.

Dying as Christian is much better than dying as a non-Christian, death out of Christianity leads to eternal damnation, while the Chrstians are targeted for the eternal life, with this eartlhy life just as a preparation.

[Loki]

Did you made a spelling mystake? I don't get it.

Nope, no mistake

As Victor already said -- I wish they were Christians (not fake "Christians...), because that would mean they are in heaven. The alternative is eternal torment in hell. Both heaven and hell are real places, and yes, there is an afterlife.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Dying as Christian is much better than dying as a non-Christian, death out of Christianity leads to eternal damnation, while the Chrstians are targeted for the eternal life, with this eartlhy life just as a preparation.

Nope, no mistake

As Victor already said -- I wish they were Christians (not fake "Christians...), because that would mean they are in heaven. The alternative is eternal torment in hell. Both heaven and hell are real places, and yes, there is an afterlife.

So what happened to the people who lived and died before Christianism ?

[Loki]

So what happened to the people who lived and died before Christianism ?

They were given the opportunity to receive Jesus Christ at the time of his death, is what most believe. There are indications of that -- when Jesus died he got the keys of Death and Hades -- where people went when they died. All would be judged by God based on their lives.

[White Swan]

They were given the opportunity to receive Jesus Christ at the time of his death, is what most believe. There are indications of that -- when Jesus died he got the keys of Death and Hades -- where people went when they died. All would be judged by God based on their lives.

I also believe that all have an encounter with Jesus Christ, either right after they die or in the future, but those who were meant to be saved will be saved; if they are not going to live for eternity then the all-knowing God knew that already which means he created them for destruction as he calls the briars/thorns in the parables.

Some say this means we might as well sin, but that viewpoint is ignorant to the fact that those he made to be saved would do his works regardless and that he turns evil to good, since he allowed evil for the ultimate good in the firstplace. This means that those who do evil for evil purposes and not out of ignorance were meant to be temporary beings for the ultimate good.

Suffice to say, eternal hellfire is ridiculous. That is against natural law, which God created. The thorns are finite and thus by nature cannot be burned forever, though the smoke does ascend forever because the smoke rises and there is no end in eternity. Some would say this would encourage evil people to be evil, since they don't have to be tormented forever. But no encouragement is needed either way, the God is sovereign and the story was written before we all existed. This means goats are goats and sheep are sheep just like he said, and the evil will cease to exist while good continues once we are past this stage of infancy/adolescence which we perceive as our mortal life.

Either God is all sovereign- omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient, or he is not God/a gnostic fable of good vs evil never-ending/reincarnation wheel.

The first freedom was offered by Satan. Any wholesome person knows that there is no such freedom and we are all slaves to those we love. Satan of course is basically a mirage, non eternal, and only existent for a short time so we can understand the value of our family and thus fully love our father, brothers, and sisters who the sovereign God created to be eternal.

[Loki]

I also believe that all have an encounter with Jesus Christ, either right after they die or in the future, but those who were meant to be saved will be saved; if they are not going to live for eternity then the all-knowing God knew that already which means he created them for destruction as he calls the briars/thorns in the parables.

Some say this means we might as well sin, but that viewpoint is ignorant to the fact that those he made to be saved would do his works regardless and that he turns evil to good, since he allowed evil for the ultimate good in the firstplace. This means that those who do evil for evil purposes and not out of ignorance were meant to be temporary beings for the ultimate good.

Suffice to say, eternal hellfire is ridiculous. That is against natural law, which God created. The thorns are finite and thus by nature cannot be burned forever, though the smoke does ascend forever because the smoke rises and there is no end in eternity. Some would say this would encourage evil people to be evil, since they don't have to be tormented forever. But no encouragement is needed either way, the God is sovereign and the story was written before we all existed. This means goats are goats and sheep are sheep just like he said, and the evil will cease to exist while good continues once we are past this stage of infancy/adolescence which we perceive as our mortal life.

Either God is all sovereign- omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient, or he is not God/a gnostic fable of good vs evil never-ending/reincarnation wheel.

The first freedom was offered by Satan. Any wholesome person knows that there is no such freedom and we are all slaves to those we love. Satan of course is basically a mirage, non eternal, and only existent for a short time so we can understand the value of our family and thus fully love our father, brothers, and sisters who the sovereign God created to be eternal.

I have a problem with creating theories that make more sense to us, or sound more easy/palatable to us. I believe the Bible reveals God's truth to us through Jesus Christ and the inspired teachings of the Holy Spirit through the apostles.

Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable, or even shocking. But God is sovereign, and he makes the rules, not us.

Humans are created in the image of God -- we never really die -- only our physical earthly bodies do. In the Book of Revelation we learn that the ultimate destiny of the demons and those who followed them is the "Second Death" -- which is eternal torment in the Lake of Fire -- which was originally created not for humans, but for the devil and his angels.

We find it hard to grasp eternity with our human brains. But one day we will understand that better. Maybe it won't be what we understand as "eternity" for the punishment, but just a million years?

In our lives, God does everything to reach out to us to follow him. Up to our death beds. But we have free will. God is not going to force anyone to love him, and he won't have anyone with him in his kingdom who don't love him.

[White Swan]

I have a problem with creating theories that make more sense to us, or sound more easy/palatable to us. I believe the Bible reveals God's truth to us through Jesus Christ and the inspired teachings of the Holy Spirit through the apostles.

Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable, or even shocking. But God is sovereign, and he makes the rules, not us.

Humans are created in the image of God -- we never really die -- only our physical earthly bodies do. In the Book of Revelation we learn that the ultimate destiny of the demons and those who followed them is the "Second Death" -- which is eternal torment in the Lake of Fire -- which was originally created not for humans, but for the devil and his angels.

We find it hard to grasp eternity with our human brains. But one day we will understand that better. Maybe it won't be what we understand as "eternity" for the punishment, but just a million years?

In our lives, God does everything to reach out to us to follow him. Up to our death beds. But we have free will. God is not going to force anyone to love him, and he won't have anyone with him in his kingdom who don't love him.

He is the potter we are the clay, he doesn't "try to reach", he writes it into your life. All knowing means he knew from before he made you if you'd accept him, he could have given you a road to Damascus experience if it was what you would need. Only an imperfect human would create something and then just hope that it goes how he wanted it, but like you said, hard to imagine how God is perfect, but he did create our intellect, through which we can see that logically, if a merciful and all knowing God exists, all will go according to his plan or else he would have created ignorant beings who could walk ourselves off a cliff and oh well there we go, thus he would not be a perfect and sovereign creator.. But he is the perfect Shepard and not even one of his sheep will be plucked from his hand. There is no such thing as "free", we are created beings, our idea of "free will" is just ancient propoganda from satan. The argument that embracing the ideology that I am advocating would lead many to sin is ignorant entirely, due to the premise of the argument, which is that it is all planned, yes even the evil for the ultimate good and that we do not choose what happens, we are just more or less aware of this fact. Such that if God created you to be good, you will be good, your knowing that he planned your sins does not conflict with his story one but. However Satan's idea that you could conceivably reject the Lord's will, does conflict with logic. But of course God created that idea too, so that we could fully understand full submission, not full "freedom", ironically.

Love is not freedom when love is protection. A child feels lack of freedom when he isn't allowed to run around with scissors, the existential equivalent would be running into the lake of fire. Would the all knowing and loving God you know allow you to do such a thing? He created parental instinct, mind you.

[Loki]

He is the potter we are the clay, he doesn't "try to reach", he writes it into your life. All knowing means he knew from before he made you if you'd accept him, he could have given you a road to Damascus experience if it was what you would need. Only an imperfect human would create something and then just hope that it goes how he wanted it, but like you said, hard to imagine how God is perfect, but he did create our intellect, through which we can see that logically, if a merciful and all knowing God exists, all will go according to his plan or else he would have created ignorant beings who could walk ourselves off a cliff and oh well there we go, thus he would not be a perfect and sovereign creator.. But he is the perfect Shepard and not even one of his sheep will be plucked from his hand. There is no such thing as "free", we are created beings, our idea of "free will" is just ancient propoganda from satan. The argument that embracing the ideology that I am advocating would lead many to sin is ignorant entirely, due to the premise of the argument, which is that it is all planned, yes even the evil for the ultimate good and that we do not choose what happens, we are just more or less aware of this fact. Such that if God created you to be good, you will be good, your knowing that he planned your sins does not conflict with his story one but. However Satan's idea that you could conceivably reject the Lord's will, does conflict with logic. But of course God created that idea too, so that we could fully understand full submission, not full "freedom", ironically.

Love is not freedom when love is protection. A child feels lack of freedom when he isn't allowed to run around with scissors, the existential equivalent would be running into the lake of fire. Would the all knowing and loving God you know allow you to do such a thing? He created parental instinct, mind you.

We are not robots. Why would God want to have a bunch of people loving him, but not by their choice...rather, by his design? God did give us free will. And yes, he does know what we are going to choose, ultimately, because he knows the future. Yet this doesn't mean that we don't have free will to choose to serve him. We have to do that.