How would you redraw the European borders?

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I think this parallel has very little content, because the Balt inability to to resist Slavization actually involved becoming part Slavic, or mostly Slavic (it cannot be denied that Belorussians are at least part-Slavic). Latvians are not part- German in the same sense (in any sense actually) Belorussians are part- Slavic.

That is your opinion. Other Latvians have specifically spelled out that they are glad about the outcome of the crusades because if it was not for them, Latvians might have not formed a country of their own but, instead, there would have formed one Baltic country - together with Lithuanians and, possibly, Prussians and it would resemble modern Lithuanians more than modern Latvians culturally. ABF forum is now down but once it's up again, I can dig up the exact quote for you, it was Arturs who said it but other Latvians there agreed that German influence is one of the key parts in the formation of Latvian culture.
And then, of course, you get cardinal examples, such as Inese, who perceive their Germanic heritage so important that they even identify as Germano-Baltic..
So, Crusades have left a strong lasting impact in your country - same as Slavic expansions left a strong lasting impact in the previously Baltic lands in the East - the later having had a stronger impact, obviously.

[memobekes]

I wouldn't "re-draw" jacksquat, i would lift the borders completely.

[Harmonia]

As a country - perhaps. It won't be possible to tell until there some Dzukians & people from Southern Belarus will start participating in the ancestry projects. But the way it looks now, as far as Northern Belarusians are concerned at least, it ain't just "a bit".

I've got some more stuff about this topic but ABF is down now, so I'll post it later.

Perhaps because their ancestors assimilated with Baltic Lithuanians and therefor has a certain amount of Baltic blood. However, they're mostly Slavic. There's no evidence that they're, like 90 percent Baltic, there are just theories, which are not really reliable. ''Belarussians are Baltic'' is mostly only what some Belarussian nationalists believe. However, I'm not trying to change your views, but my opinion is opposite. They're east Slavic people, just like Russians, Ukrainians.

[kamane]

Perhaps because their ancestors assimilated with Baltic Lithuanians and therefor has a certain amount of Baltic blood. However, they're mostly Slavic. There's no evidence that they're, like 90 percent Baltic, there are just theories, which are not really reliable. ''Belarussians are Baltic'' is mostly only what some Belarussian nationalists believe. However, I'm not trying to change your views, but my opinion is opposite. They're east Slavic people, just like Russians, Ukrainians.

Ahhh, I see, so proofs and theories that your folk knowledge does not agree with are not reliable. How intelligent and educated your words sound. Nice...

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Perhaps because their ancestors assimilated with Baltic Lithuanians and therefor has a certain amount of Baltic blood. However, they're mostly Slavic. There's no evidence that they're, like 90 percent Baltic, there are just theories, which are not really reliable. ''Belarussians are Baltic'' is mostly only what some Belarussian nationalists believe. However, I'm not trying to change your views, but my opinion is opposite. They're east Slavic people, just like Russians, Ukrainians.

A strong North-South cline within Belarus is a fact, not just "one of some abstract theories". See the study about Belarussian haplogroups that I quoted earlier.

[kamane]

And gee, have you even clicked on the link I have given. The map was made by Z. Zinkevičius. Is he a closet Belarussian nationalist. Right, he is

[Harmonia]

There are no evidences that Belarussians are predominantly Baltic. Tell me how their Balticism reflects on their culture? ;o

[Waidewut]

That is your opinion. Other Latvians have specifically spelled out that they are glad about the outcome of the crusades because if it was not for them, Latvians might have not formed a country of their own but, instead, there would have formed one Baltic country - together with Lithuanians and, possibly, Prussians and it would resemble modern Lithuanians more than modern Latvians culturally. ABF forum is now down but once it's up again, I can dig up the exact quote for you, it was Arturs who said it but other Latvians there agreed that German influence is one of the key parts in the formation of Latvian culture.

None of this is in conflict with my opinion and anything that I have wrote.

And then, of course, you get cardinal examples, such as Inese, who perceive their Germanic heritage so important that they even identify as Germano-Baltic..

Was Inese a good example of the average Latvians and his/hers opinion? I would say certainly not. Do all Lithuanians have the same opinions on everything?

So, Crusades have left a strong lasting impact in your country - same as Slavic expansions left a strong lasting impact in the previously Baltic lands in the East - the later having had a stronger impact, obviously.

This is also true, BUT shall we call cultural/political unifying/self identification impact the same as ethnic impact? We were just talking about the ETHNIC Baltic-ness of Belorussians not about culture/ self identification.

[kamane]

There are no evidences that Belarussians are predominantly Baltic. Tell me how their Balticism reflects on their culture? ;o

I'm speaking about blood of nothern Belarussians. It fits well with history. I see you are ignorant and not interested. I've given you links in another thread but probably were lazy to read them. Stick to your "folk knowledge" and just try to not portray it as a hhighest source of knowledge in the question of what has what blood.

[Rereg]

I'm speaking about blood of nothern Belarussians. It fits well with history. I see you are ignorant and not interested. I've given you links in another thread but probably were lazy to read them. Stick to your "folk knowledge" and just try to not portray it as a hhighest source of knowledge in the question of what has what blood.

Your trolling is just funny. I showed you that according to genetic and historical research Belarussians are much more similar to their slavic neighbours than to Balts but you ignore this. I bet that you write about "baltic heritage among Belarussians" because you dream about annexation
north-Western Belarussia and Suwalki to modern "Lithuania".