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    What if the Ottomans converted to Orthodoxy after they conquered Constantinople?

    Constantinople, the new Rome, was their goal. Let's remember that the decision made by Turks migrating into Anatolia, to converted from Tengrism to Islam, was political. It was meant to ally Turks with forces and populations opposed to Constantinople.

    What if once the objective of conquering Constantinople was achieved, Turks would have made another conversion, this time to Orthodoxy? Imagine a pacified Anatolia and the Balkans, instead of pointless wars for hundreds of years. Imagine how much more accepted the Ottomans would be, probably they would have been seen like the rest of Eastern Europeans (more like the Gagauz and Chuvash).

    How would Turkey be today, if instead of having a history of expanding into the Middle East it would have had an Eastern European evolution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dviz View Post

    What if once the objective of conquering Constantinople was achieved, Turks would have made another conversion, this time to Orthodoxy? Imagine a pacified Anatolia and the Balkans, instead of pointless wars for hundreds of years.
    True, Balkans would be 10 times more peaceful region in that scenario, than it really was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vailingcloud View Post
    probably there wont be much difference because at that time catholics did not like orthodoxs too. Crusaders even killed orthodoxs and conquered constantinople. I think orthodox ottomans would expand in middle east too as there were muslim states they would fight with them, and they would fight with the europe too. So we would just be christian turks.
    Sure, the relations with the West would not have improved immediately. However, peace in the region would have allowed Constantinople to thrive again on keeping the trade routes into Europe stable. It would have provided less incentive to Southern Europeans to find alternative maritime trade routes as well.

    I think the entire region would have been more developed today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dviz View Post
    What if the Ottomans converted to Orthodoxy after they conquered Constantinople?

    Constantinople, the new Rome, was their goal. Let's remember that the decision made by Turks migrating into Anatolia, to converted from Tengrism to Islam, was political. It was meant to ally Turks with forces and populations opposed to Constantinople.

    What if once the objective of conquering Constantinople was achieved, Turks would have made another conversion, this time to Orthodoxy? Imagine a pacified Anatolia and the Balkans, instead of pointless wars for hundreds of years. Imagine how much more accepted the Ottomans would be, probably they would have been seen like the rest of Eastern Europeans (more like the Gagauz and Chuvash).

    How would Turkey be today, if instead of having a history of expanding into the Middle East it would have had an Eastern European evolution?
    Most probably, Turkey and Greece wouldn't be two separate states, but rather just one. According to Sevan Nisanyan, who is a Turkish-Armenian writer and lexicographer in Ottoman society, religion set the difference between a "Turk" and a "Rum."
    Cretan Muslims were ethnically Greek, but they forcibly made refugees in Turkey during population exchange between Greece and Turkey.
    Karamanlides, who were linguistically Turkified, or Turkic soldiers who settled in the region after the Turkic conquests and converted to Christianity. They forcibly made refugees in Greece.

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    This orthodox Turkey idea is 1000x times more better scenario. The middle east would be large majority of christian like in roman times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    This orthodox Turkey idea is 1000x times more better scenario. The middle east would be large majority of christian like in roman times.
    Arabs make up the majority of the Middle East, and they are predominantly Muslim. I don't think Turks becoming Christians would affect their religion. So, Middle East still would be Muslim majority region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dviz View Post
    Constantinople, the new Rome, was their goal. Let's remember that the decision made by Turks migrating into Anatolia, to converted from Tengrism to Islam, was political. It was meant to ally Turks with forces and populations opposed to Constantinople.
    That's totally stupid, Turks didn't suddenly convert from Tengrism just for politics.
    The first Seljuk Empire was established in 1037, this predates the fall of Constantinople as much as the fall of Constantinople predates...today.
    They had long adopted Iraneque and local culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kessaras View Post
    Arabs make up the majority of the Middle East, and they are predominantly Muslim. I don't think Turks becoming Christians would affect their religion. So, Middle East still would be Muslim majority region.
    These arabs were christian before the muslim expansion. The main reason of decay of the Byzantine Empire was the attack of turks, muslims. If turks were orthodox then they would support the greeks against muslim expansion for sure. The present Middle East would be majority christian in my opinion.

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