What percentage of the population in France is ethnic French?

[Tooting Carmen]

So 65-70% for the whole French population?

Out of curiosity, what percentage of the current population of Greece would you say is ethnically Greek? And do you include Cypriots, Pontians and Anatolian Greeks under this definition or not?

[Petalpusher]

So 65-70% for the whole French population?

Something like that, strictly native. Probably 75-80% with those who are part French and European, for example like Giroud (1/2 Italian) or Griezmann (1/2 Portuguese)

[Tooting Carmen]

Something like that, strictly native. Probably 75-80% with those who are part French and European, for example like Giroud (1/2 Italian) or Griezmann (1/2 Portuguese)

Indeed, even the increasingly small number of White sportspeople from France often have Southern or Eastern European origins.

[Mortimer]

Is France less white then germany? The nazis thought the french will be non-white before germans

[Zeno]

Out of curiosity, what percentage of the current population of Greece would you say is ethnically Greek? And do you include Cypriots, Pontians and Anatolian Greeks under this definition or not?

85-90%.

Cypriots, Pontic and Anatolian Greeks ARE Greeks. Don't know what you're on about.

Note: I don't go according to the demographic census, as it both doesn't record any data on ethnicity or race (even though it really isn't restricted by any means like in France) and it severely underreported the population. Like in 2011, hundreds of thousands of the native permanent citizens haven't been recorded, let alone all illegal immigrants.

[Tooting Carmen]

85-90%.

Cypriots, Pontic and Anatolian Greeks ARE Greeks. Don't know what you're on about.

Sikeliot at least used to claim they were quite different (at least genetically) to Greeks from Greece. Not saying I endorse that perspective.

Note: I don't go according to the demographic census, as it both doesn't record any data on ethnicity or race (even though it really isn't restricted by any means like in France) and it severely underreported the population. Like in 2011, hundreds of thousands of the native permanent citizens haven't been recorded, let alone all illegal immigrants.

Well that's a problem with all censuses. Of the 10-15% of non-natives, are they mainly Eastern Europeans, Middle Easterners or a roughly equal mix of both?

[Tooting Carmen]

Is France less white then germany? The nazis thought the french will be non-white before germans

Yes and it is not even close, even taking into account all the Middle Eastern immigrants Germany has received in recent years. Certainly, the Black population in Germany, while growing, doesn't remotely compare to France, and also a higher proportion of immigrants in Germany than France come from other parts of Europe.

[Zeno]

Sikeliot at least used to claim they were quite different (at least genetically) to Greeks from Greece. Not saying I endorse that perspective.



Well that's a problem with all censuses. Of the 10-15% of non-natives, are they mainly Eastern Europeans, Middle Easterners or a roughly equal mix of both?

Not so much anymore. Balkaners have been largely replaced with South and Central Asians and MENAs. The immigrant population has remained steady, but its consistency has changed.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not so much anymore. Balkaners have been largely replaced with South and Central Asians and MENAs. The immigrant population has remained steady, but its consistency has changed.

So you'd say that over half of immigrants in Greece are nowadays non-white? So the White population of Greece (whether native or foreign) would be circa 90-93%?

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyway, IMHO France is the nearest thing to a European version of the US or even Brazil. Not just because of the variety of races there, but also because of the range of ancestries even among the White population.