Assyrians; Where can they pass physically in Europe? (Multiple choice)

[Transhumanist]

The Marsh Arabs seem to for example just a settled Bedouin population and cluster with Arabian population based on their genome. However Northern Iraqi Arabs often resemble the Assyrians and it would be interesting to see their genome, this of course is not refering to the Bedouin tribes like the Shammar who were settled by the British or the recent migrant Rawallah.

The Marsh Arabs are interesting. Unlike other Arab groups, they have a relatively high frequency of both J1c3 and J1*. This is what Nadia Al-Zahery* had to say, in her recent paper, regarding J1* in Mesopotamia:

In the less frequent J1-M267* clade, only marginally affected by events of expansion, Marsh Arabs shared haplotypes with other Iraqi and Assyrian samples, supporting a common local background.

*Al-Zahery et al., BMC Evolutionary Biology 2011, 11:288, "In search of the genetic footprints of Sumerians: a survey of Y-chromosome and mtDNA variation in the Marsh Arabs of Iraq"

[Mosov]

Some look Mediterranean, some look more Semitic, Levantine looking also among some...

[Ulfricstormcloak]

Greece, Sicily, Malta, Bulgaria, & Albania.

I think so too.

[Rhobot]

Most look distinctly Near Eastern; some resemble Mediterranean Europeans as well (esp. Maltese but also Greek islanders, Calabrians, and a good chunk of Sicilians).

[Den Pobedy]

As to white or Caucasoid populations here is probably the best description from Wikipedia:

"Conceived as one of the "great races", alongside Mongoloid and Negroid, it was taken to consist of a number of "subraces". The Caucasoid peoples were usually divided in three groups on linguistic grounds, termed Aryan (Indo-European), Semitic (Semitic languages) and Hamitic (Berber-Cushitic-Egyptian).
Meyers Konversations-Lexikon (1885–90).
Caucasoid race:
Aryan
Semitic
Hamitic

Negroid race:
African Negro
Hottentot
Melanesian
Negrito
Australoid

Uncertain:
Dravida & Sinhalese

Mongoloid race:
North Mongol
Chinese & Indochinese
Japanese & Korean
Tibetan
Malay
Polynesian
Maori
Micronesian
Eskimo
American Indian

The postulated subraces vary depending on the author, including but not limited to Nordic, Mediterranean, Alpine, Dinaric, East Baltic, Arabid, Turanid, Iranid and Armenoid subraces.

19th century classifications of the peoples of India considered the Dravidians of non-Caucasoid stock as Australoid or a separate Dravida race, and assumed a gradient of miscegenation of high-caste Caucasoid Aryans and indigenous Dravidians."

European ethnic peoples have mixed together for thousands of years.So there are no really "pure" ethnic groups.The closest to being unmixed would be the Icelandic people.But even they are a mix of Celts from Ireland and Norse peoples.In countries like Spain,Portugal,Italy (southern parts),Malta,there was considerable mixture of Semitic peoples with Indo-European peoples to form the present populations.In Eastern Europe,Czech Republic,Slovakia,Hungary,Poland,the Baltic States,Slovenia,Croatia,and in lesser amounts Romania,Serbia,Montenegro,Bosnia,Belarus,Ukraine and Russia,have large amounts of Germanic mix in their populations.The Balkan areas in particular Greece,Cyrus,Albania,Macedonia,Serbia,Bosnia,and Bulgaria,have very mixed populations.Dating back to the Byzantine times through to the Ottoman age.The British Isles are mixed Celtic and Germanic.France is mostly the same.The Lowlands countries as well.The Scandinavian countries are Germanic,with a mix of Finno-Uralic.Hungary and Germany are two of the most mixed of all.Hungary is basically Finno-Uralic,and Slavic, with a hefty blend of Germanic settlers added.Germany,while Germanic in culture and language has a heavy Slavic mix.Some scholars think eastern Germany is over half assimilated Slavs.In eastern Slav states,Belarus,Ukraine and to a lesser extent Russia have Polish mix,and in north Belarus many people are really assimilated Balts.While Russians,even though predominately Slav have Finno-Uralic,Turkic,and some Caucasian mix.I may have left out a few groups,but I think this covers most of the mixes.Almost all of these groups are "white" ethnic groups,so the mixes are not that noticeable in most cases.

The West Asian ethnic peoples are also very mixed.Mostly with other Caucasoid peoples but in some areas with Turkic and Negro peoples.In Central Asia and the Iranian Plateau countries you see more of the Turkic mix,though especially in Anatolia and Iran its much less than in the northern regions of Central Asia.While through the centuries in the Arab countries,North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula more,and the north Arab states less.There has been a Negro mix from the large number of slaves brought to those regions.In the ancient world,most descriptions of peoples in those areas show,in Iran and Central Asia,blonds and red haired people as being common.Some are still there,but much less than before.While descriptions of Semitic peoples,and pictures of them dating from the Roman era show that they would be similar in appearance to today's Southern Europeans.I believe that's why in the threads on the Iranians and Assyrians here some of the people could easily fit in with other similar peoples in Europe.

[Transhumanist]

While descriptions of Semitic peoples,and pictures of them dating from the Roman era show that they would be similar in appearance to today's Southern Europeans.

I believe Philip the "Arab" would possibly fit in this category as well.

Marcus Julius Philippus Augustus (Philip the Arab)

[StonyArabia]

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Nonsense, the Arabiians have nothing to do with Europeans, nor resemble Southern Europeans, and they are not West Asians but SouthWest Asians and are genetically distinct and have a look at that is adopted to Desert climates.

[Prince Carlo]

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Nonsense, the Arabiians have nothing to do with Europeans, nor resemble Southern Europeans, and they are not West Asians but SouthWest Asians and are genetically distinct and have a look at that is adopted to Desert climates.

Arabians are not the original SWA people though. SWA admixture peaks in Arabia because of the founder effect.

[Transhumanist]

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Nonsense, the Arabiians have nothing to do with Europeans, nor resemble Southern Europeans, and they are not West Asians but SouthWest Asians and are genetically distinct and have a look at that is adopted to Desert climates.

Who said Philip the "Arab" was the same as an Arabian? He was from Syria.

The term itself comes from the Akkadian, Arbāiu. As far as I know, this is one of the earliest depictions of an "Arab." Or one believed to be so.

From the Center Palace at Nimrud. Assyrian Cavalry in pursuit.

[Arch Hades]

I think a significant portion could pass for Greek Cypriots or Cretans, and maybe some darker Southern Italians