Multi ethnic neighbourhoods vs ghettos

[Tooting Carmen]

I get that, you would find some districts like this, mainly the 18th but it's like half black and everything else in the book.

Do you mean that roughly half of the residents are SSA, and the rest are a vast array of different White and non-white ethnic groups?

Or a sub part of the 13th with all the East Asians, and mostly whites in the rest of the district.

Would the Whites mainly be Francais de souche, or often from other countries too?

The 3&4 Marais might be a bit cosmopolitan like that too (it's the gay districts of Paris). Elsewhere you will see a lot of diversity during the days but they aren't living there.

So the gay neighbourhoods are also the most multi-ethnic in the true sense?

[Petalpusher]

Do you mean that roughly half of the residents are SSA, and the rest are a vast array of different White and non-white ethnic groups?

Yes. Besides there, where you see the most non whites in Paris is in the subway/RER as they keep commuting back and forth from the banlieues and the city.

It's also due to the square meter price, where it's 3 to 5 time cheaper in the banlieues at least (when it's not free social housing)

Would the Whites mainly be Francais de souche, or often from other countries too?

In the 13th yes, mostly FDS apart from EA. I lived there for about a year, near place d'Italie, before moving somewhere else in Paris. The area around place Monge in the 5-6th is probably one of the whitest when it comes to the residents (and the most expensive). The East Asians are extremely concentrated into the Choisy area of the 13th, huge buildings with their own market, shops,... if you walk in this sub neighborhood you might only see East Asians, then it totally shifts outstide of it.

So the gay neighbourhoods are also the most multi-ethnic in the true sense?

In the true sense yes, you would find the most amount of nationalities but still mostly white.

[Tooting Carmen]

London's overall ethnic composition:

53.8% White (36.8% White British, 1.8% White Irish, 0.1% White Gypsy or Irish Traveller, 0.4% White Roma, 14.7% White Other)
20.7% Asian (3.7% Bangladeshi, 1.7% Chinese, 7.5% Indian, 3.3% Pakistani, 4.6% Other Asian)
13.5% Black (7.9% Black African, 3.9% Black Caribbean, 1.7% Black Other)
5.7% Mixed or Multiple ethnic groups (1.4% Mixed White and Asian, 0.9% Mixed White and Black African, 1.5% Mixed White and Black Caribbean, 1.9% Other Mixed or Multiple ethnic groups)
6.3% Other ethnic group (1.6% Arab, 4.7% Any other ethnic group)

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes. Besides there, where you see the most non whites in Paris is in the subway/RER as they keep commuting back and forth from the banlieues and the city.

It's also due to the square meter price, where it's 3 to 5 time cheaper in the banlieues at least (when it's not free social housing)






In the 13th yes, mostly FDS apart from EA. I lived there for about a year, near place d'Italie, before moving somewhere else in Paris. The area around place Monge in the 5-6th is probably one of the whitest when it comes to the residents (and the most expensive). The East Asians are extremely concentrated into the Choisy area of the 13th, huge buildings with their own market, shops,... if you walk in this sub neighborhood you might only see East Asians, then it totally shifts outstide of it.







In the true sense yes, you would find the most amount of nationalities but still mostly white.

Curiously, London is becoming like this too. Even though much of Inner London used to be quite poor, it has been gentrified very significantly, whereas it is certain Outer London boroughs that remain (relatively) cheap: Brent, Waltham Forest, Enfield, Barking & Dagenham, Redbridge, Havering, Bexley, Greenwich, as well as the most heavily Indian parts of Ealing, Hillingdon and Hounslow. That said, most of the truly wealthy boroughs (apart from Westminster/Kensington & Chelsea) are in Outer London too: Merton, Sutton, Kingston, Richmond.

[Petalpusher]

Curiously, London is becoming like this too. Even though much of Inner London used to be quite poor, it has been gentrified very significantly, whereas it is certain Outer London boroughs that remain (relatively) cheap: Brent, Waltham Forest, Enfield, Barking & Dagenham, Redbridge, Havering, Bexley, Greenwich, as well as the most heavily Indian parts of Ealing, Hillingdon and Hounslow. That said, most of the truly wealthy boroughs (apart from Westminster/Kensington & Chelsea) are in Outer London too: Merton, Sutton, Kingston, Richmond.

Despite not being the most expensive on average, the real bourgeois district in Paris is the 16th, particularly it's outer edge where you can find some actual villas and mansions around the Boulogne forest, the Rolland Garros tennis courts and the Longchamp hippodrome.

I don't know exactly the urbanism history in London, but i presume they didn't build communist style dormitory towns around London as much, so immigrants rather settled inside London initially and didn't stack up in the same place outside like they did around Paris (same applied elsewhere in France)

[Tooting Carmen]

Despite not being the most expensive on average, the real bourgeois district in Paris is the 16th, particularly it's outer edge where you can find some actual villas and mansions around the Boulogne forest, the Rolland Garros tennis courts and the Longchamp hippodrome.

I don't know exactly the urbanism history in London, but i presume they didn't build communist style dormitory towns around London as much, so immigrants rather settled inside London initially and didn't stack up in the same place outside like they did around Paris (same applied elsewhere in France)

Yes, in the past it was mainly the council estates and low income neighbourhoods of Inner London (some of them mainly houses, others mainly flats) where immigrants used to mainly settle and concentrate, but for the last two decades at least it has become increasingly the other way round.

[Tooting Carmen]

As it happens, I was looking at the latest School Census for England, and in all London boroughs except Bromley, White British children are below 50% at primary school level. When looking at both primary and secondary schoolchildren combined, only Bromely, Havering and Richmond-upon-Thames still just about maintain White British majorities.

[Straightman]

Sad what happened to European cities like London and Paris.

[Lioncourt]

In my city of Plovdiv there is a multiethnic area around the Medical University, where students of Greek, Turkish, Arab, Indian and African origin live, together with Bulgarians, and in last two years, Ukrainians. Ghetto is something that is strongly considered a Gypsy neighborhood (mahala).

[Tooting Carmen]

In my city of Plovdiv there is a multiethnic area around the Medical University, where students of Greek, Turkish, Arab, Indian and African origin live, together with Bulgarians, and in last two years, Ukrainians. Ghetto is something that is strongly considered a Gypsy neighborhood (mahala).

What proportion of the students are from overseas? In the UK nowadays the overall percentage of university students who come from overseas is 24%!