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    Default Smoking shaming thread

    Some smokers, who have a hard time facing reality, who can’t suffer the evocation of reality, did not tolerate my comments in a thread encouraging smoking, which is an ugly and destructive behaviour. But I was allowed, and that’s too bad for them, to create a thread criticising the fact to smoke.

    Contrarily to what a member writing in that dismal thread likes to say, smoking doesn’t make you more manly and it doesn’t keep you healthy. That person who says such things makes a habit of fanciful speeches, of speeches based only on their imagination.

    It is a truism to say that smoking destroys health, that it’s noxious including for fertility. It’s incredible that there are people, including here, who are totally in denial.

    Extremely often, not to say always, people start smoking under the influence of others, in order to be accepted in some social groups, “to do like others”. It actually displays a real lack of personality and of character. These people believe they’re “cool” and “interesting” because they smoke, while smoking is actually highly disgusting, repulsive, pathetic, pestilential and vulgar. A woman smoking is particularly pathetic and vulgar. Smokers are pathetic with their addiction; it becomes such a physiological need for them to smoke. When they satisfy it, it provides them with a pleasure that is not different from pooping. Seeing someone smoking is not different from seeing someone pooping. Smokers, have a minimum of prudishness! Hide yourselves to smoke!

    Smoking constitutes an incredible olfactive and visual violence against non-smokers, including against children. It is criminal to have to endure the mortiferous smoke of smokers, to smoke passively because of them. And unfortunately, it happens far too often.

    Far too often, smokers are incredibly disrespectful, arrogant and they impose their ugly behaviour upon others. Here are a few examples that are particularly annoying.

    How many times have I not been in a bus shelter, while the weather was bad, being obliged to be close to a disrespectful person considering it’s ok to impose their horrible smoke upon others?

    How many times have I been obliged not to open my window because there are disrespectful neighbours smoking and I receive their disgusting smoke?

    How many times, while you’re inside a room and it’s cold and windy outside, there are smokers keeping opening doors, making draughts, or keeping doors open, without even thinking about others?

    And so on...

    Have some decency, smokers!
    Last edited by Laly; 01-17-2024 at 03:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
    Furthermore,

    as far as nicotine is concerned, its consumption has shown to have a positive effect on the increase of testosterone (and free testosterone) on both men and women.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17163954/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24457405/
    Who are you trying to fool?

    It’s pathetic you desperately try to justify your ugly addiction and to drag others down with you. Even if hypothetically, smoking/nicotine would have a positive effect on something, would it be worth? Clearly “no”, in the very vast majority of cases. You are able to do a quick calculation concerning the pros and cons of vaccines, but prisoner of your addiction, you are blind concerning smoking. On balance, smoking is one of the worst things one can do.

    Concerning the level of smokers’ testosterone, data is conflicting. But there are, indeed, studies linking smoking with a higher level of testosterone.
    In your propaganda promoting smoking, you refer to this article: “Endogenous testosterone levels and smoking in men. The fifth Tromsø study”, as if it goes along with your promotion of smoking. But it doesn’t. This is the conclusion of the article you referred to:



    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...5.2006.00720.x

    Do you know what “hypogonadism” means? Low testosterone. Smoking would create a “false elevation” in testosterone, masking undiagnosed hypogonadism. This increase in testosterone would reveal a dysfunction. And anyway, the increase in testosterone would not have an influence on your sexual life, on your characteristics.

    Like the article above mentions, this one below tells that although total and free testosterone increase, there isn’t a real change in the bioavailable testosterone in smokers and in non-smokers. It is not without interest:

    “These data suggest that cigarette smoking has no significant effect on the biologically active fraction of testosterone, but may influence the levels of total and free testosterone through changes in the levels of SHBG.”

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11352783/

    The artificial increase of testosterone due to smoking seems to be a dysfunction linked to real health problems, as explained for ex. here also:

    “Cigarette smoking and testosterone in men and women: A systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies”





    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...941?via%3Dihub

    High artificial testosterone is dangerous, and it is linked to problems that have a lot to do with smoking: low sperm counts, impotence, heart muscle damage and increased risk of heart attack, prostate enlargement with difficulty urinating, etc.

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/stayi...-and-doesnt-do

    “Effect of cigarette smoking on serum testosterone level among male smokers”:






    https://journals.lww.com/ecdt/fullte...terone.21.aspx

    ^ It displays the issue of conflictual data concerning testosterone levels and links the increase to aromatase inhibition, which is a serious dysfunction, affecting maybe women particularly, as it blocks oestrogens.

    On the bad effects of the inhibition of aromatase, including on females, blocking oestrogens:

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...012.00185/full

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...10440X23000184

    In this study, a significantly lower level of testosterone was found in smokers:

    https://www.semanticscholar.org/pape...ea3a8faef52202

    And even if there is an increase of testosterone in the short term, anyway, sperm count and quality are lower in smokers. And smokers may have a faster decline in testosterone than non-smokers:




    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...l_Participants

    Here is now a range of wonders lovely linked to the power of smoking over fertility.

    “Sperm concentration and semen volume increase after smoking cessation in infertile men”:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41443-022-00605-0

    “Semen quality and cigarette smoking in a cohort of healthy fertile men”:



    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...pped%20smoking

    “Decreased sperm counts in Swedish users of oral tobacco”:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9543234/

    “Passive Smoking Has the Same Negative Effects on Reproductive Hormones in Adult Males as Active Smoking”.

    https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/jgo.18.44000

    ^In this study, lower testosterone in smokers was observed, by the way.

    “Smoking and Male Infertility: An Evidence-Based Review”. Reduction of sperm quality:

    https://wjmh.org/DOIx.php?id=10.5534/wjmh.2015.33.3.143

    “Effect of smoking on semen quality, FSH, testosterone level, and CAG repeat length in androgen receptor gene of infertile men in an Indian city”:




    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...68.2012.684195

    “Effects of cigarette smoking on semen quality, reproductive hormone levels, metabolic profile, zinc and sperm DNA fragmentation in men: results from a population-based study”





    “From sperm to offspring: Assessing the heritable genetic consequences of paternal smoking and potential public health impacts”:



    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...300108#sec0055

    “In vitro effects of nicotine on human spermatozoa”:



    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24079388/

    “Association between paternal smoking at the time of pregnancy and the semen quality in sons”:



    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...nomic%20status

    Smoking and Risk of Erectile Dysfunction: Systematic Review of Observational Studies with Meta-Analysis:



    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0060443

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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
    Miraculously almost, it also has a positive effect on another thing also.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32790936/

    “Active Smokers Are at Higher Risk of COVID-19 Death: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis”:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3536...0and%20cession.

    “Smoking is associated with worse outcomes of COVID-19 particularly among younger adults: a systematic review and meta-analysis”:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34399729/

    “The role of smoking in COVID-19 progression: a comprehensive meta-analysis”:



    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36889786/

    “Smoking highly likely to worsen COVID-19 severity and risk of associated death”:

    https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom...ociated-death/

    “The predisposition of smokers to COVID-19 infection: A mini-review of global perspectives”:



    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...023049915#sec4

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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
    It also has shown to have a neuron-protective effect against dementia and Alzheimer's.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33786606/
    Concerning smoking/nicotine and dementia/Alzheimer, it’s really the “pot calling the kettle black”. Trying to have some positive cognitive effect thanks to nicotine, when you can have also plenty of horrible consequences can give something to think about, especially as dementia/Alzheimer are hugely due to smoking/tobacco/nicotine, which provokes brain impairment, cognitive problems. First of all, don’t smoke and don’t use, tobacco, nicotine, so that the risk to get dementia, including Alzheimer, will be greatly reduced and you won’t have to buy nicotine in order to improve, maybe, a little bit your state, to be a bit less ill. LOL

    “Cigarette smoking is a significant risk factor for Alzheimer’s disease (AD)”:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-13759-5

    “Investigating the Relationship Between Smoking Behavior and Global Brain Volume”:



    https://www.bpsgos.org/article/S2667...136-2/fulltext

    “The negative impact of chronic tobacco smoking on adult neuropsychological function: a cross-sectional study”



    https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentra...89-021-11287-6

    "Short- and Long-Term Consequences of Nicotine Exposure during Adolescence for Prefrontal Cortex Neuronal Network Function"



    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543069/

    Also, the article on cognition you used for your propaganda, “Molecular insights into the benefits of nicotine on memory and cognition”: is actually useful for my speech:



    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...c%20plasticity

    ^It is extremely important to emphasise that.

    2020 Lancet Commission on Dementia risk :



    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...367-6/fulltext

    https://www.alzint.org/u/WorldAlzheimerReport2014.pdf (pp. 42-49)

    “The Projected Impact of Risk Factor Reduction on Alzheimer's Disease Prevalence”:



    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3647614/

    I am absolutely scandalised by what you’re doing. You’re insulting all those struggling with their smoking, tobacco, nicotine addiction, those who are of good will, not in denial, who don’t do a disgusting propaganda. You’re insulting all the citizens who pay a lot of taxes to treat the horrors you promote.
    Thanks to what you promote, my father has no legs, he has dementia, schizophrenia, he is like a vegetable.
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    Laly, why don't you just leave the smokers to it? Maybe it would be better if you channeled all that rage into something more positive and worth pursuing.

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    Laly is right, smoking is not good for our health.

    But...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazimiera View Post
    Laly, why don't you just leave the smokers to it? Maybe it would be better if you channeled all that rage into something more positive and worth pursuing.
    I am unvoluntarily concerned by what smokers do, it's my business too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laly View Post
    I am unvoluntarily concerned by what smokers do, it's my business too.
    Laly, there are much more worth causes than this. Find something positive to focus on instead.

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    Laly, leave eupator alone please. You don't need to post in his thread that you have "responded" to him here. He wasn't debating you to begin with. Leave him alone and leave that thread alone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laly View Post

    I am absolutely scandalised by what you’re doing. You’re insulting all those struggling with their smoking and nicotine addiction, those who are of good will, not in denial, who don’t do a disgusting propaganda. You’re insulting all the citizens who pay a lot of taxes to treat the horrors you promote.
    Thanks to what you promote, my father has no legs, he has dementia, schizophrenia, he is like a vegetable.


    Dear Laly,

    your work researching all this stuff to prove me wrong is meticulous and deserves commendation.

    You really are passionate and a poster child for the anti-tobacco movement.

    However,

    the Smoker's Lounge is a space for us tobacco lovers who will never give up on our practice of enjoying the effects of tobacco we perceive it to have on ourselves, aside from our sheer enjoyment of its consumption.

    I thank you, from the depths of my heart, for your concern about my health and the health of the others like me.

    But I am worried you are wasting your time.

    I will never give up tobacco and the spiritual journey it takes me through as I navigate the trials and tribulations of my life.

    I believe there are others like me who feel the same.

    Our thread exists to pat ourselves on the back and share our passion, with little knacks of fun and bravado here and there.

    I am currently chewing my tobacco snus, an excellent product from the wizards of chew in Sweden, as I write this, I'd rather be smoking one of my stogeys but your anti-tobacco crowd made it impossible even in solitary confined spaces. I respect that, we have to live with you, squares and fuddy-duddies (if I am allowed some banter), but unfortunately you're going to have to live with us too.

    Unless, of course, you'd rather march us to the concentration camp, isn't that what your identitarian friends dream of (banter no.2)?

    All in all,

    thank you again for your concern.

    A deeply touched tobacco-lover.

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