The South was right- the "Civil War" war not over slavery !

[Richmondbread]

I used to believe that even if the South secceded over slavery (only 4 out of 11 Confederate states even mention slavery as a cause), then they still had a right to self determination and property rights. However, the more I studied the war, the more I realized that slavery was not even an issue for the cause of the so called Civil War, but it came later in the war. The actual war itself was over economics. The greedy Republicans (then socialists) from the North, wanted control over western territories. The question over slavery was mainly could slaves be brought into these new places without penalty. Lincoln was a rosicrucian and a friend of Karl Marx. He was in it for power. The Republican party wanted to destroy everything Washington built, while the Jeffersonian Democrats (then conservatives), wanted to save our Founding Fathers America. The remaining Whigs largely joined the Democrats in the South- Robert E. Lee was also a Whig. Half the Confederacy were former Whigs as well!

Then I studied how there were imposed tarrifs on cotton and that the "cotton" states did not want these imposed on them. Also, if the war was over slavery , why did some slave states remain in the Union- which included the state of New Jersey- where slavery was not abolished until 1866? Because it WASN'T about slavery. It was about power and control.

The Confederacy was the last bastillion of real America - and the Republican North was Lincoln's America. Lincoln said some of the Southern states could keep their slaves, as long as they remained in the Union. They refused! But Lincoln also refused to compromise. He could have avoided the war. Instead , he launched a war in the absense of congress, arrrested dissenters, suspended Habeas Corpus, and the 2nd ammendment. When Lincoln called on border states like Tennesese, Virginia, and North Carolina for troops to invade South Carolina, they said "Nope! we ain't doing that". So they left and joined the Confederacy as well.

Lincoln did not free one single slave, yet he's called the "great emancipator" and lauded as a hero by both leftists and fake conservatives. Why? He was one of the worst presidents ever. Jefferson Davis was a hero, yet completley villified. The victor writes the history folks.

[~Elizabeth~]

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[dviz]

Does anyone know, when was the narrative "the Civil War was fought over slavery" appear?

I don't know if this narrative is true or false, but I would like to investigate it, starting with the original source of the claim.

[Richmondbread]

Does anyone know, when was the narrative "the Civil War was fought over slavery" appear?

I don't know if this narrative is true or false, but I would like to investigate it, starting with the original source of the claim.

It was created mostly after the war. Ironically Northern historians talk about the "lost cause myth", they fail to recognize their own false narrative .

[lei.talk]

Lincoln was a rosicrucian and a friend of Karl Marx.

are you suggesting that abraham lincoln
was reading horace greeley's new-york daily tribune
during the fifties for the articles written by karl marx

[Your Old Comrade]

Bullshit. It was entirely about slavery. Here is the relevant part of the Cornerstone Speech of 21 March 1861, by "Vice President" (or rather: "Benedict Arnold 2.0's assistant" as that would have been more applicable) Alexander H. Stevens. The Confederate government, ran entirelg by the slave-owning classes, also provided slaveowners AND THEIR ENTIRE EXTENDED FAMILY with a loophole (the Twenty Slave Law) to prevent conscription, while poor Whites, who were already forced off their lands by the big estates, where mandated to fight and die for an exploitative fake government AND chase runaway slaves (under the unconstitutional Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 and 1850) at no complensation and could be severely punished if they refused. Id's say that Southern Unionists and the brave people of Jones County, Mississippi did the right thing.

But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

Whether you like blacks or not or even want them in your country or not, slavery is a vice and abysmal. End of. Way too many Southern men died for an exploitative elite, only to see their farmsteads reduced to rubble by a Union Army hellbent om revenge. They would have been better off torching the plantation homes instead in a revolt to rejoin the Union.

[~Elizabeth~]

Bullshit. It was entirely about slavery. Here is the relevant part of the Cornerstone Speech of 21 March 1861, by "Vice President" (or rather: "Benedict Arnold 2.0's assistant" as that would have been more applicable) Alexander H. Stevens. The Confederate government, ran entirelg by the slave-owning classes, also provided slaveowners AND THEIR ENTIRE EXTENDED FAMILY with a loophole (the Twenty Slave Law) to prevent conscription, while poor Whites, who were already forced off their lands by the big estates, where mandated to fight and die for an exploitative fake government AND chase runaway slaves (under the unconstitutional Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 and 1850) at no complensation and could be severely punished if they refused. Id's say that Southern Unionists and the brave people of Jones County, Mississippi did the right thing.



Whether you like blacks or not or even want them in your country or not, slavery is a vice and abysmal. End of. Way too many Southern men died for an exploitative elite, only to see their farmsteads reduced to rubble by a Union Army hellbent om revenge. They would have been better off torching the plantation homes instead in a revolt to rejoin the Union.

It started out about economics. Slavery was a convenient excuse later on. Lincoln did not free the northern slaves.

[Your Old Comrade]

It started out about economics. Slavery was a convenient excuse later on. Lincoln did not free the northern slaves.

He did. 1863 ended slavery in the United States.

[~Elizabeth~]

He did. 1863 ended slavery in the United States.

Was the Emancipation Proclamation for the North or South?
"Being careful to respect the limits of his authority, Lincoln applied the Emancipation Proclamation only to the Southern states in rebellion."

In 1863, the nature of the Civil War shifted. On January 1st of that year, President Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, freeing slaves in the Confederate states. The Proclamation applied neither to slaveholding border states that had remained loyal to the Union (Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri) nor to rebel states subdued by Union forces prior to its issuance. Nonetheless, its significance was profound. With the Emancipation Proclamation, the struggle between North and South transformed into a war to end slavery. Concurrent with the war's end in 1865, the thirteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution was ratified. Slavery was declared illegal in every part of the newly restored Union. African-Americans across the nation were free.

https://www.thirteen.org/wnet/slaver...m/history.html

[Your Old Comrade]

Was the Emancipation Proclamation for the North or South?
"Being careful to respect the limits of his authority, Lincoln applied the Emancipation Proclamation only to the Southern states in rebellion."

In 1863, the nature of the Civil War shifted. On January 1st of that year, President Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, freeing slaves in the Confederate states. The Proclamation applied neither to slaveholding border states that had remained loyal to the Union (Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri) nor to rebel states subdued by Union forces prior to its issuance. Nonetheless, its significance was profound. With the Emancipation Proclamation, the struggle between North and South transformed into a war to end slavery. Concurrent with the war's end in 1865, the thirteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution was ratified. Slavery was declared illegal in every part of the newly restored Union. African-Americans across the nation were free.

https://www.thirteen.org/wnet/slaver...m/history.html

In other words: he did end slavery in the Union. Just not in 1863 but 1865.