Which side of Europe is the real Europe?

[Blondie]

West Europe: best living standards, high social support, open minded and advanced societies, more human rights, liberal governments/mindset, LMBT, high happiness index, multiculturalism, great history including romans/colonial empires.













East Europe: nationalism, illiberal governments, lower living standards, lesser human rights, post communist but white societies, alcoholism, gangsters/mafia bosses, high corruption, peoples are proud of their country.

[Rostos vilmoskörte]

Eastern is more European as Western europe is fading away to Americanize itself.

[Blondie]

Eastern is more European as Western europe is fading away to Americanize itself.

Thats true, but the american culture is also mostly european.

[Your Old Comrade]

Historically, it's Western Europe. The core of Europe as always been along the zone between England, the Low Countries, Paris, the German Lands through Switzerland and Austria to Italy.

[Victor]

Everything inside of Europe is real Europe and both Europes are just geographical Europes, being quite distanced culturally, mentally from original. I mean, both are post Christian en masse and majority of "Christians" are just cultural ones in both, no matter how much in numbers and % they make. We're all some kind of aliens and Europe turned into ideological term.

[Blondie]

Historically, it's Western Europe. The core of Europe as always been along the zone between England, the Low Countries, Paris, the German Lands through Switzerland and Austria to Italy.

In this thread we are talking about present Europe.

[Your Old Comrade]

In this thread we are talking about present Europe.

Still the case today then. The Blue Banana and the Golden Banana are both in Western Europe, the EU is effectively a Franco-German project, the East is effectively living on Western subsidies and resting assuredly under the Western security umbrella.

[Blondie]

Still the case today then. The Blue Banana and the Golden Banana are both in Western Europe, the EU is effectively a Franco-German project, the East is effectively living on Western subsidies and resting assuredly under the Western security umbrella.

These are economical things, being european means kultur, traditions, orininal architecture and such things, not the money.

[Your Old Comrade]

These are economical things, being european means kultur, traditions, orininal architecture and such things, not the money.

Things need to be paid for. No money, no culture. You don't remember the 90s. Eastern culture, sadly, was mass unemployment, people trying to sneak into the West, old caravans with girls along Polish, Czech and Hungarian crumblimg concrete-slabbed highways and rampant drug use and alcoholism. "Kaum gestolen, schon in Polen", remember? And guess where you'll be again without us ? Exactly. So who is the real Europe? The West. Period.

[Blondie]

Things need to be paid for. No money, no culture. You don't remember the 90s. Eastern culture, sadly, was mass unemployment, people trying to sneak into the West, old caravans with girls along Polish, Czech and Hungarian crumblimg concrete-slabbed highways and rampant drug use and alcoholism. "Kaum gestolen, schon in Polen", remember? And guess where you'll be again without us ? Exactly. So who is the real Europe? The West. Period.

Money still has nothing to do with kultur and being more european, neither the other things what you said. By your logic the dutch millionaires are more european than you, because of their money. It makes no sense. Being european is not based on money and financial things.