Die soziale Heimatpartei

[Mortimer]

The social homeland party... do you think it is a stretch to national-socialism as in "homeland party = national party" and social = "social national or nationalsocialism" and does the first FPÖ in the second republic indeed has its roots among former NSDAP party members or that is wrong?

Im not offending or trolling austrians, or the FPÖ... just asking, even if it is to me its no problem, nationalist parties are common everywhere, no problem, they are part of humanity like leftism is too

[Blondie]

I dont really know the austrian domestic politics but im 100% sure that the FPÖ is not a nazi party.

[Scarface F]

I don't see any problem with nationalist party with moderate socialist like tendencies. It is closest to my own views as well.

[Scarface F]

I dont really know the austrian domestic politics but im 100% sure that the FPÖ is not a nazi party.

Even if it was, why would that be bad? Nazi party had lot of great ideas. I don't agree with taboo around it. It is dishonest.

[Mortimer]

Even if it was, why would that be bad? Nazi party had lot of great ideas. I don't agree with taboo around it. It is dishonest.

I didnt said it is bad, i didnt gave it a value neither positive nor negative either, i did said that in my OP that it is part of humanity and ideological pluralism, and that nationalist parties exist everyhwere....

[Blondie]

Even if it was, why would that be bad? Nazi party had lot of great ideas. I don't agree with taboo around it. It is dishonest.

Indeed nazis had some good idea like Autobahn or protection of animals, but no need to be nazi to do these things. I dont see any reason to bring NSDAP back, they would just make an another inner european war. Nazis once had a chance and they completely ruined Germany. We dont need nazis just common sense and normal patriots.

[Flashball]

Indeed nazis had some good idea like Autobahn or protection of animals, but no need to be nazi to do these things. I dont see any reason to bring NSDAP back, they would just make an another inner european war. Nazis once had a chance and they completely ruined Germany. We dont need nazis just common sense and normal patriots.

This is false, they rather raised Germany economically and morally.
What you are referring to is the consequences of the war (which they themselves did not start from A to Z).

“Yes, but they started talking about wanting to expel the Jews they considered a foreign body in Germany, it was obvious that this would trigger foreign hostilities towards their regime!

In any case, “German” Jews were not ethnic Germans (they are like 5-10% german). Having a policy of expelling Jews to countries in the Middle East or elsewhere outside Germany is no more shocking than expelling Arabs, sub-Saharan Africans, Chinese, from certain European countries.

“Yes, but Jews have lived in Europe for thousands of years!"
Yes, but they are not genetically totally European, like gipsy, and in any case they have always considered themselves (rightly) as Jews "neither white nor Arab", moreover the question no longer arises as in the past: today they have a country, so they can live there if they want.
The Maghrebis also have a country (Morocco, Algeria and others), just like the Sub-Saharans.

[Blondie]

This is false, they rather raised Germany economically and morally.
What you are referring to is the consequences of the war (which they themselves did not start from A to Z).

And the consequences of the war what nazis started is not belong the NSDAP? The final result of reign of nazis was a totaly ruined Germany. After that nobody cares about the good things what they did earlier, irrelevant.
I have no idea what kind of nazi moral are you talking about. You mean the gas chambers? Himmler's paganism? Enslaving other europeans? If you are curious about about real german moral then go back to the Deutsches Kaiserreich.
Btw its funny that a french guy loves the nazis lol

[Scarface F]

Indeed nazis had some good idea like Autobahn or protection of animals, but no need to be nazi to do these things. I dont see any reason to bring NSDAP back, they would just make an another inner european war. Nazis once had a chance and they completely ruined Germany. We dont need nazis just common sense and normal patriots.

Who's talking about NSDAP? I am speaking about nationalism and moderate socialisism. Oldest Croatian political party that is Right Wing is nationalist and economically quite left. What you call normal modern patiots are mostly cuckservatives and proponents of neoliberalism.

We don't need them. There is no greater enemy of nation states than uncontrolled capitalism.

[lei.talk]

There is no greater enemy of nation states
than uncontrolled capitalism.

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