Why do Slavs in the Balkans claim they are the original inhabitants ?

[Blondie]

According to hungarian history books, the main ancestry of present croats came from white croats from Ukraine, Their minor ancestry came from slavo-avars and black hungarians who lived in Slavonia.

[DamCz]

Can you show us some Albanian mass migration that occurred into this territory below during the 15th, 16th and 17th century ?

Spoiler!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardani

The Ottoman officials usually noted which heads of family were 'new arrivals’ in their places of residence; out of 121 new arrivals in the nahiye of Pec in 1485, the majority had Slav names. In the sancak of Prizren in 1591, only five new arrivals out of forty-one bore Albanian names; and in a group of Kosovo towns in the 1580s and 1590s there were twenty-five new Albanian immigrants and 133 with Slav names - several of them described as coming from Bosnia. This evidence counts strongly against the idea of a mass immigration from northern Albania. Other more general arguments against that idea are based on relative population sizes and rates of growth. The population of Kosovo during this period was much bigger than that of northern and central Albania, and its rate of growth was actually lower. This is not what one would expect if a large overflow from the Albanian Malesi were flooding into Kosovo.

Let's use 17th Catholic sources from Kosovo and the Malsi:

Some of the Catholic documents also note cases of Albanians moving into Kosovo from northern Albania. Pjeter Mazrreku reported from Prishtina in 1624: 'not long ago ten Catholic families came from Albania to live in this area’; in Suha Reka in 1637 Gjergj Bardhi found fifteen Catholic families who had fled there from the Dukagjin mountains because of 'assassins'; and Gregor Mazrreku found several Albanians at a nearby village in 1651, who had also ‘fled from the mountains’. Gregor Mazrreku noted that most of these had become Muslims since their arrival. It seems likely that people fled from the Malesi either because of blood-feuds or because they had been punished under the Kanun of Lek Dukagjin (which, it will be recalled, said that people guilty of serious crimes should have their houses burnt down and be expelled). Such people, arriving ina new area, would naturally feel more unattached to the local Catholic community, and would be more easily tempted to make the switch to Islam. Larger groups emigrating together were much more rare; but in these cases there was more religious cohesion. A group of thirty-five Catholic Albanian families from Albania was noted at the mining town of Kratovo, east of Skopje, in 1637; they were already learning the Slav language, and it is likely that they were eventually assimilated by the local Slav-speaking Catholic community. Overall, however, one conclusion is certain: the number of people migrating into the Kosovo area from northern Albania during this period was, relative to the already existing Albanian population of Kosovo, extremely small. The Malesi was almost entirely Catholic; the reports by the Catholic priests in Kosovo are thorough and very detailed; and it is not possible to imagine that many thousands of Catholic immigrants could have escaped their notice - even (or, perhaps, especially) if they did not remain Catholic for long.

Englithen us , when did Albanians ''settle your land'' ? You mean in the 17th-18th century when it was already obviously Albanian?

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Didn't DAI mentioned ancestral lands of Serbs as Boika, referring to Celtic Boii tribe (current Bohemia)?

Yes, in a sense Serbs lived near Bohemia.

Why do you think Poles are threatened by presence of non-Polish Slavic tribes in Poland thousands of years ago?

Nationalism? I don't understand it...

Yes, you're correct. I'm anywhere between 0-30% Slavic according to DNA tests & calculators, but I read a few texts here and there about early Slavs.

Even Albos are over 20% early Slavic....you are probably in 30-35% range like ethnic Macedonians. I guess Serbs from Macedonia can be genetically Macedonian-like

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Historically Croatians the most ashamed of their Slavic roots of all Slavic speakers.

False. Croats invented Pan-Slavism.

The first pan-Slavists were the 16th-century Croatian writer Vinko Pribojević, the Dalmatian Aleksandar Komulović (1548–1608), the Croat Bartol Kašić (1575–1650), the Ragusan Ivan Gundulić (1589–1638) and the Croatian Catholic missionary Juraj Križanić (c. 1618 – 1683).

Croatian elite in 19th century claimed Illyrian origin

At the same time Illyrians were Pan-Slavists. They just wrongly believed Slavs are native to Balkans and originate from Illyrians.

The Illyrian movement (Croatian: Ilirski pokret; Slovene: Ilirsko gibanje) was a pan-South-Slavic cultural and political campaign with roots in the early modern period, and revived by a group of young Croatian intellectuals during the first half of the 19th century, around the years of 1835–1863 (there is some disagreement regarding the official dates from 1835 to 1870).[1] This movement aimed to create a Croatian national establishment in Austria-Hungary through linguistic and ethnic unity, and through it lay the foundation for cultural and linguistic unification of all South Slavs under the revived umbrella term Illyrian.

in WW2 and around it was popular theory of Gothic origin, in Yugo communism period and some period late it was popular Iranian origin of Croatians, some Croatian historians claimed Avar origin of Croatians. Today Slavic origin is more popular than ever among Croatians.

Gothic and Avar theories were never popular among scientific circles. Iranian theory is, due to Croat (and perhaps Serb) names being of non-Slavic origin most likely, and early Slavs had contancts with steppe Iranics.

Polish elite claimed Sarmatian origin too.

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Medieval movement of Croat ethnonym


"The range of Slavic ceramics of the Prague-Penkovka culture marked in black, all known ethnonyms of Croats are within this area. Presumable migration routes of Croats are indicated by arrows, per V.V. Sedov (1979)."

[protos]

Yes, in a sense Serbs lived near Bohemia.

That's what I talk about.

Nationalism? I don't understand it...

Neither do I, that's why I asked. White Croats if they exist do not exist anymore they pose no threat to Polish nationalism, and Croatia is not a country that lies on borders with Poland.

Even Albos are over 20% early Slavic....you are probably in 30-35% range like ethnic Macedonians. I guess Serbs from Macedonia can be genetically Macedonian-like

Yes, I saw some Albanian Illustrative DNA results on reddit, many of them get more Slavic than me.

[Varda]

Even Albos are over 20% early Slavic....you are probably in 30-35% range like ethnic Macedonians. I guess Serbs from Macedonia can be genetically Macedonian-like

In Serbia exist 3 groups of people with Macedonian roots. Descendants of settlers from Macedonia whose ancestors had Serbian identity when they lived down in Macedonia. Descendants of settlers from Macedonia which were
without any ethnic identity, and they are adopted Serbian when they arrived in Serbia. And descendants of people wich had clear Macedonian identity when they arrived in Serbia, some of their descendants today are part of Macedonian minority and Serbia and other part is assimilatted in Serbs. My cousins was married for man whose father came from Macedonia to Belgrade, he had suffix SKI in surname but changed to IĆ.

[Nurzat]

two theories on Albanians, from Romania and Ukraine, which place the origins of Albanians in the same broader area (around Western Ukraine):


1. a new theory in Romania is that Albanians come from Costoboci, a Dacian tribe resettled from today's northern Romania/Carpathian Ukraine to the Balkans or from another Dacian tribe


2. a theory in Ukraine that proto-Albanian-speakers inhabited at some point an area around Westcentral Ukraine, to the south of the Slavic urheimat of Pripyat river area:




I have no opinion on either. however these theories assume the language and a smaller DNA part originated there, while the Albanians now inherit the most from the assimilated local post-Roman (Balkan/EEF-rich) population.

[Varda]

Medieval movement of Croat ethnonym


"The range of Slavic ceramics of the Prague-Penkovka culture marked in black, all known ethnonyms of Croats are within this area. Presumable migration routes of Croats are indicated by arrows, per V.V. Sedov (1979)."

Hrvat/Croatian in the early middle probably had no only tribal meaning, it was Slavic highlander. Like vlach later durring the middle age was every shepherd and not only Latin speaking Balkanite.

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Hrvat/Croatian in the early middle probably had no only tribal meaning, it was Slavic highlander. Like vlach later durring the middle age was every shepherd and not only Latin speaking Balkanite.

Based on what?