NW Caucasians on G25

[axlredneck]

A thread dedicated to the genetics of NW Caucasians, viz., Circassians, Karachay-Balkar, and Ossetians.

[axlredneck]

[axlredneck]

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[axlredneck]

Genetically, the Adyghe have shared ancestry partially with neighboring peoples of the Caucasus, with some influence from other regions. The most prevalent SNP haplotypes among all Circassian tribes is G2-YY1215 (43%); others are R1a-M198* (13%), G2-YY9632 (9%), J2-M172* (7%), sharing a single common ancestor 3,000 years ago, with the largest demographic growth between 2,000 and 1,500 years ago. Prevalence of the G2-YY1215 haplogroup is larger on the Western Caucasus and decreases to the east, while G2-YY9632 has the opposite tendency. R1a-M198* is shared with Balkars, Karachays and Kuban Cossacks.

A quarter of the Circassian R1a is from Slavic people.

[Demirkazık]

I believe that a significant portion of their Turkic ancestry comes from Oghuric groups that resided in North Caucasus for some time. If you're available, could you also make one for Kabardians and Abazins ?

[axlredneck]

Karachay-Balkar Y-DNA (n=1075)

C 0.85%
E 1.2%
H 0.28%
G2 33.1%
I2 3.8%
J1 2.9%
J2 13%
L 0.18%
T 0.65%
N 0.18%
Q 3.75%
R-Z93 29.4%
R-Z283 1.76%
R1b 8.95%

Ossetian Y-DNA (n=800)

C 0.125%
E 1.5%
G2 70%
I2 0.25%
J1 2%
J2 15.125%
L 0.5%
N 0.25%
Q 2%
R1a 0.75%
R1b 7.375%
T 0.375%

[axlredneck]

I believe that a significant portion of their Turkic ancestry comes from Oghuric groups that resided in North Caucasus for some time. If you're available, could you also make one for Kabardians and Abazins ?

They're included in the average.

[axlredneck]

Circassian Y-lines from Karachay-Balkars
• https://yfull.com/tree/C-Z22425/
• https://yfull.com/tree/J-BY114993/
• https://yfull.com/tree/N-PH1896/
• https://yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y38987/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP5937/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP451/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y91288/

Circassian Y-lines from Bulgars / Volga Tatars
• https://yfull.com/tree/J-Y136265/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y38802/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y20770/

Circassian Y-lines from Nogais
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-FT143389/

Circassian Y-lines of uncertain origin
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-BY60213/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y40719/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y196863/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP1272/

Karachay-Balkar specific (not found in other NW Caucasians)
• https://yfull.com/tree/C-BY81954/
• https://yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ663/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-BY149647/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-FT359082/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-FT353771/
• https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y210282/

[axlredneck]

I believe that a significant portion of their Turkic ancestry comes from Oghuric groups that resided in North Caucasus for some time. If you're available, could you also make one for Kabardians and Abazins ?

Which leads to another conclusion that the ancestors of Karachay-Balkars who were responsible for the spread of Turkic ancestry in NW Caucasians were originally Oghuric groups and not Kipchaks. The Oghuric group most likely were Sabirs.

[Demirkazık]

Which leads to another conclusion that Karachay-Balkars were originally Oghuric groups and not Kipchaks. The Oghuric groups most likely were Sabirs.

They probably switched to a Kipchak language due to cultural and political influences. Since there are few Karachays with this clade, I believe R-Y111732 is either a Kipchak clade or an Oghuric clade, though I favor the Kipchak origin of that clade since it falls under R-M478, which probably descends from the Tiele confederation. If I'm not mistaken, the Kipchak tribe of Middle Zhuz also carries variants of R-M478.
Even though I don't have much knowledge about Karachay-Balkar R-Z2125's, from what I've heard, they had the most variations. It's probably a sign of their Oghuric ancestry.