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    Default Why were Magyars the only Uralic people to expand by conquest?

    The Magyars developed a reputation in Europe in the 9th and 10th centuries as fierce warriors, often as mounted archers, inspiring fear and awe. They caused quite a stir for many decades, conquering lands around the Pannonian Basin, and it took a lot for the Germans to defeat them at Lechfeld in 955, after which they settled down and established a country in Hungary as the dominant elite over a larger existing population.

    What is interesting is that they seem to be the only known Uralic/Finno-Ugric speaking people that took on this nomadic mounted raiding and conquering lifestyle. This is something associated more with Turkic people historically. Pretty much all other Uralic peoples lived a rather simple existence for most of history, preferring either reindeer herding, basic agriculture, fishing and forestry. They tended to just stick to their native lands in West Siberia and the Ural region, extending up toward northern Russia and Finland and the Baltic, but seemed very low key and were often assimilated by other people. But they were never really thought of as aggressive or territorial people, or renowned as great warriors.

    Why were the Magyars an exception to this? Were they more heavily influenced by Turkic culture of Central Asia? The closest linguistic relatives of the ancient Magyars were the Khanty and Mansi, apparently. But those folks live a pretty simple lifestyle in line with other similar people to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmale View Post
    Were they more heavily influenced by Turkic culture of Central Asia?
    Yes. First by Iranics, than by Turkics. Hungarian word for sword is of Iranic origin. They adopted agressive steppe warrior lifestyle from both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface F View Post
    Yes. First by Iranics, than by Turkics. Hungarian word for sword is of Iranic origin. They adopted agressive steppe warrior lifestyle from both.
    Conglomerate which settled to Pannonia in the late 9th century under the name of Magyars was composed from Uralic and Turkic tribes with some other influences. Arpad was Turkic, even before discovery that he was R1a-Z83 it was known fact.

    Magyars before they settled to Pannonia lived in present day Moldova some period, and they tried to invaded Bulgaria. But Bulgarian tsar Simeon I together with his allies Pechenegs defeated them and that was reason why they moved to Pannonia. I wonder what would be if Magyars conquered Bulgaria and settled there. History of the Balkans and Pannonia would be for sure different.

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