When is a society "too rich" or "too poor" for discource about sexual issues to be on the table?

[Zeno]

So, recently in Greece, there was a big discussion that was held about "the human rights" that homosexuals and transgender people have in the country, and all media, and by that I mean, ALL media, in a supposedly socially conservative country, were releasing up to dozens of articles per day, both about the law that was voted in eventually (and unfortunately) and about the whole societal aspect.


But here's the thing: almost everyone in Greece still thinks, and indeed has, the cost of living as their highest priority. Simply enough, because despite whatever wage increases there have been and are impending, the prices in all goods and services has skyrocketed. Especially in food and rent, aka the two things that humans need to live an adequately good life. But this is barely even mentioned in the media after all. Especially compared to the fuzz created about muh gayz, lesbos and queers.

The question therefore is: why would and should you make an entire society care about something that doesn't affect them, while something else that does affect all of society isn't addressed?

[Incal]

The question therefore is: why would and should you make an entire society care about something that doesn't affect them, while something else that does affect all of society isn't addressed?

Humans rarely make sense. They are mostly about trends and fads, especially today when Internet rules supreme. A perfect example is that rajputprincess retard.

[calxpal]

I agree with this I honestly think LGBTQ issues are given way too much weight nowadays compared to other issues. I am also unhappy that things that affect society greatly are rarely or never talked about in comparison. I agree with the point above that a lot of it is about trends and fads.

[CosmoLady]

So, recently in Greece, there was a big discussion that was held about "the human rights" that homosexuals and transgender people have in the country, and all media, and by that I mean, ALL media, in a supposedly socially conservative country, were releasing up to dozens of articles per day, both about the law that was voted in eventually (and unfortunately) and about the whole societal aspect.


But here's the thing: almost everyone in Greece still thinks, and indeed has, the cost of living as their highest priority. Simply enough, because despite whatever wage increases there have been and are impending, the prices in all goods and services has skyrocketed. Especially in food and rent, aka the two things that humans need to live an adequately good life. But this is barely even mentioned in the media after all. Especially compared to the fuzz created about muh gayz, lesbos and queers.

The question therefore is: why would and should you make an entire society care about something that doesn't affect them, while something else that does affect all of society isn't addressed?

Centre-left and liberal NGOs, movements, and parties seem to create these issues,
and promote them through their sympathetic media,
to distract from the real issues that normal people care about.

Specifically they want to distract leftists from economic issues that may threaten the international elite,
to channel their energies into non-economic causes.
And they want to distract rightists by keeping them reactionary at all times,
as designated villains always opposing the rainbow agenda.
Thus the right is always in the playpen, dancing to the tune provided by the leftist elite.

What rights do gays and lesbians and transgenders lack in Greece anyway? Are there no civil unions?

And the US always wants every country to be more LGBT, more rainbow. Wokeness originates from the US and its closest allies.
And I think that the US really does not like the Orthodox Church for being too conservative, old-fashioned.

The Rainbow Empire:

[Tooting Carmen]

The US is a land of extremes: it may be the originator of "wokeness", but it is also by far and away the most religious nation in the developed world - far more than the wealthier parts of East Asia (and probably also some of the poorer parts as well), as well as the most hitherto religious nations in Europe like Poland and Ireland.

[CosmoLady]

The US is a land of extremes: it may be the originator of "wokeness", but it is also by far and away the most religious nation in the developed world - far more than the wealthier parts of East Asia (and probably also some of the poorer parts as well), as well as the most hitherto religious nations in Europe like Poland and Ireland.

Yes but the conservative American people have little to no say in their government.

The woke elite in California, New York, and Washington DC control everything and set the agenda.

The famous study from 20 years ago: "Congress literally doesn’t care what you think"

https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes but the conservative American people have little to no say in their government.

The woke elite in California and New York control everything and set the agenda.

That depends. Many states have done away recently with Roe v Wade. Except maybe in Nevada, most states' laws regarding pornography and prostitution are still rather more censorious than in most of Europe. And I'd even say their notions of gender and beauty are actually quite traditional: musclebound sportsmen like James Haskell are seen as a bit of a joke by many British people, whereas in the US types like him would be close to the "gold standard".

[CosmoLady]

That depends. Many states have done away recently with Roe v Wade. Except maybe in Nevada, most states' laws regarding pornography and prostitution are still rather more censorious than in most of Europe. And I'd even say their notions of gender and beauty are actually quite traditional: musclebound sportsmen like James Haskell are seen as a bit of a joke by many British people, whereas in the US types like him would be close to the "gold standard".

I updated my post. The social issues have always been distractions, not very important except for certain key demographics.

(The real social issue is that the woke elite is furious that Trump changed the balance of the Supreme Court, to 6/9 "conservatives",
which may be significant long-term. Yet only 2/9 judges are reliable conservatives, and they are old.)

Yet the Pentagon, State Department, intelligence agencies, media, social media, Hollywood, corporate world is becoming ever more woke, and ever more aggressive exporting wokeness abroad. The Democrats have also moved far to the left on most issues, while adopting the neoconservative foreign policy. And the average people have little impact on public policy.

The famous study from 20 years ago: "Congress literally doesn’t care what you think"

https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba

[Tooting Carmen]

I updated my post. The social issues have always been distractions, not very important except for certain key demographics.

The real issue is that the woke elite is furious that Trump changed the balance of the Supreme Court, to 6/9 "conservatives",
which may be significant long-term.

Yet the Pentagon, State Department, intelligence agencies, media, social media, Hollywood, corporate world is becoming ever more woke, and ever more aggressive exporting wokeness abroad. The Democrats have also moved far to the left on most issues, while adopting the neoconservative foreign policy.

I don't oppose all elements of wokeness, but some of the things its fiercest advocates promote make me think of "thesis + antithesis = synthesis": the notion that homosexuals should undergo transgender surgery in order to comply with their 'real' gender is ironically shared by Islamic governments in Iran and Pakistan; the idea that Blacks need to be 'protected' and segregated from Whites especially in universities is just Jim Crow with a glossier presentation.

[CosmoLady]

I don't oppose all elements of wokeness, but some of the things its fiercest advocates promote make me think of "thesis + antithesis = synthesis": the notion that homosexuals should undergo transgender surgery in order to comply with their 'real' gender is ironically shared by Islamic governments in Iran and Pakistan; the idea that Blacks need to be 'protected' and segregated from Whites especially in universities is just Jim Crow with a glossier presentation.

Is there transgender surgery in Iran and Pakistan, or castration?
(and 70% of transgenders are F-M, teen girls who hate their bodies,
have a mental illness, live in liberal environments, and are heavy social media users, a perfect example of social contagion)

Post-1994 South Africa was the first woke state, implementing aggressive racial quotas and discrimination in favour of blacks.
And this led to a massive capital flight and brain drain,
and an ever-worsening crisis of competence and inability to maintain complex systems.

The purpose of wokeness is to subvert/demoralise/destabilise/destroy traditional societies,
so they can be "fundamentally transformed" as Obama wished for America. Ordo ab Chao

Even transgenderism is really a stepping stone to transhumanism,
and the abandonment of merit is a stepping stone to reestablishing feudalism, ending competition.