I Don't Fear Putin

[Smaland]

@ Anglo-Celtic: I'll post more later, but for now I have a fair question for you:

If I am a Communist fellow traveler who "side(s) with Bolsheviks", then why did I start the threads 1) "Evidence that Putin is a Soviet Dictator", and 2) "What Soviet Dictators Have Done in the Past"? If I were such, I would have hidden all the evil deeds committed by Communists, as much as I could, and I would have begun threads like 'A New Appraisal of Stalin', or 'Communism Hasn't Worked Because it Wasn't Applied Correctly.'

[Creoda]

Nope. That is *the* most relevant thing since that's exactly why we're in this unmitigated quagmire, one in which you and your White separatist friend in a religious cult (the one who thinks that Alaska will be invaded by Bad Vlad), side with Bolsheviks, globalists, and neocons (your purported enemies).

Joe Biden is your president, whether you like it or not. Not mine. I don't side with any such people, I am more in line with American conservative opinion on Russia than you, as is Smaland. You are taking a one dimensional view on politics. You probably think America was right to fight Hitler so I guess that means you side with Bolsheviks and Globalists?

It's naive to think that Putin is suicidal enough to nuke a country that can annihilate his country in response since MAD has been a thing longer than your parents have been on this planet.

You don't have to think Putin is about to press the button to recognise him as a threat. He is literally threatening nuclear war against you if your country sends troops to Ukraine and you don't see him as a threat in any way? Mindboggling. By the same rationale the Soviet Union was never a threat to the US.

As for "what of it?", American spooks staged a coup, started a revolution, destroyed a pipeline, etc., and this all started when Slow Joe (there's that relevancy again) hinted that it would be okay for Russia to invade a bit of Ukraine, which is something that Donald Trump would never say.

Go and burn an American flag then if it makes you feel better, I don't care. Recognising the Russian threat (to you, not me) does not mean supporting US foreign policy.

[Anglo-Celtic]

@ Anglo-Celtic: I'll post more later, but for now I have a fair question for you:

If I am a Communist fellow traveler who "side(s) with Bolsheviks", then why did I start the threads 1) "Evidence that Putin is a Soviet Dictator", and 2) "What Soviet Dictators Have Done in the Past"? If I were such, I would have hidden all the evil deeds committed by Communists, as much as I could, and I would have begun threads like 'A New Appraisal of Stalin', or 'Communism Hasn't Worked Because it Wasn't Applied Correctly.'

You're not a Bolshevik. You just side with them. I'm talking about the here and the now. The Cold War is over despite the best efforts of the military-industrial complex.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Joe Biden is your president, whether you like it or not. Not mine. I don't side with any such people, I am more in line with American conservative opinion on Russia than you, as is Smaland. You are taking a one dimensional view on politics. You probably think America was right to fight Hitler so I guess that means you side with Bolsheviks and Globalists?


You don't have to think Putin is about to press the button to recognise him as a threat. He is literally threatening nuclear war against you if your country sends troops to Ukraine and you don't see him as a threat in any way? Mindboggling. By the same rationale the Soviet Union was never a threat to the US.


Go and burn an American flag then if it makes you feel better, I don't care. Recognising the Russian threat (to you, not me) does not mean supporting US foreign policy.

He's not *my* president. He does not represent me or my views, and he stole the election. Your Hitler comparison is complete nonsense. The Bolsheviks, not Bad Vlad, are destroying the USA, and muh polls mean squat to me.

Bad Vlad is not the main threat. He's not damaging and destroying the USA as I type this. Actions speak louder than bluster. It was the globalists' psychosis that led to his threats, and it's breathtaking that you can't grasp this obvious fact.

I won't burn the American flag (stupid comment). I won't burn our Constitution, either, but I can't say the same for the Biden regime. By the way, if the Bear and the Eagle "throw rocks", you won't be safe, either. You can thank your globalist friends for that.

[Smaland]

@ Anglo-Celtic: I'll post more later, but for now I have a fair question for you:

If I am a Communist fellow traveler who "side(s) with Bolsheviks", then why did I start the threads 1) "Evidence that Putin is a Soviet Dictator", and 2) "What Soviet Dictators Have Done in the Past"? If I were such, I would have hidden all the evil deeds committed by Communists, as much as I could, and I would have begun threads like 'A New Appraisal of Stalin', or 'Communism Hasn't Worked Because it Wasn't Applied Correctly.'

You're not a Bolshevik. You just side with them. I'm talking about the here and the now. The Cold War is over despite the best efforts of the military-industrial complex.

• "You just side with them": if so, then why have I brought up the Holomodor, during which millions of Ukrainians were murdered by Stalin with an artificial famine? If there's anything I'm not, it's a fellow traveler, who is a person who "side"s with Bolsheviks.
  
  Someone who ' throws mud ' at someone else just because they don't share the same opinion doesn't ' cover himself with glory '.
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• "The Cold War is over ...": it's closer to the truth to say that we've had an intermission from 1991-2022, but Putin has brought it back.

[Anglo-Celtic]

• "You just side with them": if so, then why have I brought up the Holomodor, during which millions of Ukrainians were murdered by Stalin with an artificial famine? If there's anything I'm not, it's a fellow traveler, who is a person who "side"s with Bolsheviks.
  
  Someone who ' throws mud ' at someone else just because they don't share the same opinion doesn't ' cover himself with glory '.
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• "The Cold War is over ...": it's closer to the truth to say that we've had an intermission from 1991-2022, but Putin has brought it back.

I'm not talking about the past. I'm talking about the present when the very same creeps, behind the Holomodor, see many White Americans as the new Kulaks. These Bolsheviks are the ones who pushed the world towards nuclear war by antagonizing and encircling Bad Vlad. These are the people who brought back the Cold War as they pushed NATO to the borders of Russia.

My hands aren't muddy. If you show me where I actually misrepresented your views, with a specific example, I will examine my hands for dirt. Are you not condoning and supporting our aid and involvement with Zelensky, a dictator who is no respecter of the rights that are enumerated in our Constitutional document, a man who disagrees with said principles? You don't have to be on Team Putin to not be on Team Nuland, who fortunately left the political scene.

[Smaland]

• "You just side with them": if so, then why have I brought up the Holomodor, during which millions of Ukrainians were murdered by Stalin with an artificial famine? If there's anything I'm not, it's a fellow traveler, who is a person who "side"s with Bolsheviks.
  
  Someone who ' throws mud ' at someone else just because they don't share the same opinion doesn't ' cover himself with glory '.
  _
• "The Cold War is over ...": it's closer to the truth to say that we've had an intermission from 1991-2022, but Putin has brought it back.

I'm not talking about the past. I'm talking about the present when the very same creeps, behind the Holomodor, see many White Americans as the new Kulaks. These Bolsheviks are the ones who pushed the world towards nuclear war by antagonizing and encircling Bad Vlad. These are the people who brought back the Cold War as they pushed NATO to the borders of Russia.

My hands aren't muddy. If you show me where I actually misrepresented your views, with a specific example, I will examine my hands for dirt. Are you not condoning and supporting our aid and involvement with Zelensky, a dictator who is no respecter of the rights that are enumerated in our Constitutional document, a man who disagrees with said principles? You don't have to be on Team Putin to not be on Team Nuland, who fortunately left the political scene.

No evidence so far:

• Zelensky is "a dictator"
• He doesn't respect "the rights that are enumerated in our Constitutional document, (he is a) man who disagrees with said principles"

Even if the Ukrainian government isn't exactly like ours, Ukraine is currently fighting for its life against Russia. It's hard to find fault with a government that assumes extra powers in wartime. Also, it's up to Ukraine to decide on what kind of government it wants. All I want is for America to return to the Constitutional government that we once had.

I don't "condone" aid to Ukraine, because there's nothing wrong with it. I definitely support aid to Ukraine, since Russia has threatened Alaska (even if other forum members firmly deny it). For another reason to support Ukraine, please read the Parable of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-37.

At his worst, a real Bolshevik is an utter tyrant like Stalin who committed genocide against millions of Russians and others (Solzhenitsyn said 66 million, no one knows exactly how many), and who deported members of a number of ethnic groups to Siberia / Central Asia. Even under a 'milder' Bolshevik like Brezhnev, the Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, and Afghanistan in 1979. I don't think that you think that I'm Brezhnev's twin brother, but you've grouped me together with Stalin and people like him, by calling me a "Bolshevik", in effect. In doing so, haven't you gotten plenty of mud on your hands?

In case you haven't yet realized it, in your first paragraph, you said that "Bolsheviks" have "brought back the Cold War" ( ?!? ).

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Nope. That is *the* most relevant thing since that's exactly why we're in this unmitigated quagmire, one in which you and your White separatist friend in a religious cult (the one who thinks that Alaska will be invaded by Bad Vlad), side with Bolsheviks, globalists, and neocons (your purported enemies). It's naive to think that Putin is suicidal enough to nuke a country that can annihilate his country in response since MAD has been a thing longer than your parents have been on this planet. As for "what of it?", American spooks staged a coup, started a revolution, destroyed a pipeline, etc., and this all started when Slow Joe (there's that relevancy again) hinted that it would be okay for Russia to invade a bit of Ukraine, which is something that Donald Trump would never say.

One needs to ask, "What would be the rational response in a particular situation?" NATO's entrance into the conflict would be a defeat for Russia (because of the US, really). As we've seen with Serbia, if given the chance NATO will do as it pleases to get what it wants (a US military base in the Balkans). The only thing keeping NATO out of Ukraine is the threat of nuclear war (look at the reaction from Germany, etc. over Macron mouthing off). So what do you do if you're Putin? You make it clear if you fuck with Russia there would be a nuclear war.

This is what anyone in a position of power would do.

Would he do it if NATO directly involved itself in the conflict? I don't think he would but I obviously can't be certain. I do know he'd use nukes if NATO entered Russia. It's guaranteed he would use nukes in that scenario.

Is it worth the gamble to place Ukraine directly in NATO's sphere of influence by putting troops on the ground? No. There is no gain to anyone in the West to have Ukraine in its sphere of influence (and NATO countries except the US have always been against it except for the US because of certain people).

So is Putin threatening NATO (and you and me as Americans) with nukes? Yes. The rational reaction would be to back the fuck off. What happens in Ukraine is irrelevant to the lives of Americans. It's certain people who keep trying to drag us into this conflict. The same people who were previously trying to drag us into war in Iran.

[Kess]

You make it clear if you fuck with Russia there would be a nuclear war.

In other words, I don’t care if I die; I’m taking you with me.
He’s bluffing, or he is so deranged that he doesn't see a problem with millions of deaths.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I won't burn the American flag (stupid comment). I won't burn our Constitution, either, but I can't say the same for the Biden regime. By the way, if the Bear and the Eagle "throw rocks", you won't be safe, either. You can thank your globalist friends for that.

Creoda's burning the American flag suggestion says it all about the mentality of the person who conflates a people with their government. You could be against your government and want the best for your countrymen.

In fact, you'd be unpatriotic if you accept a government's actions that harm its citizens.