Armenia considers possibility of joining the EU

[Victor]

The worst time for such words, shifting from Russia will end up with their "how dare you not be treating us like biggest heroes ever for making bare minimum we signed for", leaving them alone. They are only considering pro-west moves, it may mean literally no steps will be made but it will give a "reason" for Azeris to make another actions. I hope not. The only reason for such words I can see here could be to get political support of people of Armenia.

Shifting from Russia while living in Russia, having lobby and mafia here is not shifting. We need nothing from Armenia, it's a piece of land with two Russian military bases which make this state exist since the fall of USSR, that's all. It won't affect Russia badly if it's all gonna finish. The only whom it's gonna affect are Armenians living in Armenia and potential existence of Armenian state.

[Oghuz]

Modernist, liberal thinking is infantile, it does not stand up to the test of adulthood and reality. For this type of thinking, the suggestion to look at the situation and the consequences from several points of view is a disaster and a betrayal, this is the thinking of a toddler. The collective "child" thinks so, "I must be supported in all my desires unconditionally, because your duty is to protect my rights." This is the position taken by modernist, "not old" states like Ukraine and Armenia at the international level. They sincerely repeat "You just have to save us. Our uniqueness, our achievements, our independence" and so on. As a rule, sincere fans of such states is only the part of the regular inhabitants of different countries who fall into the category of these infantile dreamers. In this World, those who really decide something, the majority, have a completely different, normal and pragmatic motivation, and at best they just have a passive opinion, uninterested in anyone's "salvation" at their own expense. Moreover, about 2/3 of the World's states do not live in this infantile and phantom paradigm, just like citizens of those states.

Good words, irony being that Armenia is not a modern nation, the country is but they are an ancient ethnic group, they stayed under the Iranian umbrella for most of history but ethnic identity existed in them. Many were imported to mainland Iran (along with georgians, Circassians, Tatars) by Qizilbash empires of Iran. Such families keep Armenian identity to this day, even the ones who turned Muslim. So the ethno-pride factor is there, they are no stupid group either, historically they have always been considered politically quite smart which is why they always held political posts in empires. But in the modern world, none of that matters. Azeris have been mauling Armenians and truth be told, rather viciously but the Pashinyan government learned nothing.

If we look at last 10 years, Azerbaijan tied its security to almost everyone in the region by establishing cross border trade, oil routes, defense, and political pacts. Armenia on the other hand refused to change their obsolete benign economic model so security did not become a concern for other bigger players in the region. They refused to focus on the military and war economy which would have modernized their military, industry, etc. Having Russian bases on the soil does not automatically make Russia responsible for the security of the country. Half the population lives outside and is just loyal to the country on the internet. The focus rather went to propoganda for inner consumption. Armenia will not have NATO bases on its soil, Russia, Iran would not allow it, but to look tough, such a statement was necessary. This is what happens when perception becomes more important than reality behind it. The future does not look good for that country, only their leadership is to be blamed because of whom their commoner suffered.

[Victor]

Good words, irony being that Armenia is not a modern nation, the country is but they are an ancient ethnic group, they stayed under the Iranian umbrella for most of history but ethnic identity existed in them. Many were imported to mainland Iran (along with georgians, Circassians, Tatars) by Qizilbash empires of Iran. Such families keep Armenian identity to this day, even the ones who turned Muslim. So the ethno-pride factor is there, they are no stupid group either, historically they have always been considered politically quite smart which is why they always held political posts in empires. But in the modern world, none of that matters. Azeris have been mauling Armenians and truth be told, rather viciously but the Pashinyan government learned nothing.

If we look at last 10 years, Azerbaijan tied its security to almost everyone in the region by establishing cross border trade, oil routes, defense, and political pacts. Armenia on the other hand refused to change their obsolete benign economic model so security did not become a concern for other bigger players in the region. They refused to focus on the military and war economy which would have modernized their military, industry, etc. Having Russian bases on the soil does not automatically make Russia responsible for the security of the country. Half the population lives outside and is just loyal to the country on the internet. The focus rather went to propoganda for inner consumption. Armenia will not have NATO bases on its soil, Russia, Iran would not allow it, but to look tough, such a statement was necessary. This is what happens when perception becomes more important than reality behind it. The future does not look good for that country, only their leadership is to be blamed because of whom their commoner suffered.

Modern Armenia has nothing to do with Ancient Armenia, this ethno state was created by Communists

[Oghuz]

Modern Armenia has nothing to do with Ancient Armenia, this ethno state was created by Communists

I said above that the country is not old but ethnicity is old. The same can be said about the Azerbaijan Republic.

[kingmob]

So much squirming and seething for an allegedly insignificant nation with a country of less than three million.

Russians scared Armenians will connect to the West and have the opportunity to improve and develop their country, same for Georgians.

Let's see how many Ukraines they can sustain when all of their former imperial/USSR parts want to defect to the West.

[Gallop]

I would not advise it, in fact in Spain we should have a referendum and decide whether we want to be or not, they have already ruined our industry and now they want to ruin our agriculture and livestock, the best thing would be to leave the European Union.