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    I think that every Balkan Christian whose ancestors lived under the Ottoman occupation, when he reads about the Armenian genocide, deep in his subconscious has the thought "this could have been us".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    I think that every Balkan Christian whose ancestors lived under the Ottoman occupation, when he reads about the Armenian genocide, deep in his subconscious has the thought "this could have been us".
    We had 300 years of life under Yoke, sometimes our cities were burnt down to ashes, probably we must hate Mongols to the end of times. Just like Tatars should be exterminated or deported from Russia

    Also some good memories with Germans, which don't make me and majority of Russians hate them.

    Turks are more controversial, but still we respect them in some special rival way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We had 300 years of life under Yoke, sometimes our cities were burnt down to ashes, probably we must hate Mongols to the end of times. Just like Tatars should be exterminated or deported from Russia

    Also some good memories with Germans, which don't make me and majority of Russians hate them.

    Turks are more controversial, but still we respect them in some special rival way.
    I simply said what average Balkanite think deep down while reading topics or watch videos about Armenian genocide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Maybe if Soviets didnt create Armenian borders so small, but with Karabakh, they would not have move to Russia in such big numbers.
    It's definitely not the reason this nation lives in such amounts worldwide, not in their beloved Armenia. Nobody should give anyone anything. And good that lunatic commies didn't create some "Greater Armenia" with blood of Russian soldiers.

    They were granted own autonomy when Russian Empire conquered those lands, they should bow and be grateful I think, not tell who and how much should give them. They're not in position to dictate anything to anyone and never been so. It's just reality.

    They were equal citizens of the Empire. Their nobility was part of Imperial nobility system, they gave the Empire enough of notable people. They were trading inside Russia and were allowed to settle in Russia. What else is needed? Both for us and them. Nobody sets a goal to build some useless dysfunctional and constantly threatened tribal state to anyone at own expense. And I'm not sure they deserve a state in a natural, not artifical way, we will see it in coming years.

    Majority of them would prefer living abroad even with Qarabag and absence of any war. They're the most hardcore example of love to motherland on distance. Somewhere in Central Russia where the guy with Armenian flag sticker on car and sign of Armenian genocide would be fooling the Russian goofs living in Russia like in mental autonomy when only Armenians matter and the locals are seen as some shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    I think that every Balkan Christian whose ancestors lived under the Ottoman occupation, when he reads about the Armenian genocide, deep in his subconscious has the thought "this could have been us".
    Yes, the Ottoman Empire's history in the Balkans is marked by numerous atrocities and injustices. The Balkan region has endured its own share of suffering under Ottoman rule, The Armenian genocide is a grim reminder of the possible horrors that different communities may face under such regimes and it's plausible that if Balkan Slavs posed significant threats to the Ottoman Empire's control, they could have faced severe consequences similar to what the Armenian population experienced during the genocide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FinalFlash View Post
    Russia is quite frankly the most unreliable "superpower"(paper tiger) ally any nation can have
    Give an example please when Russia was an unreliable partner and give the exact examples of other superpowers which turned out to be more reliable.

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    Kremlin: Armenia has informed Moscow about termination of Russian border guards’ work at Yerevan airport.



    Russia has received information from Armenia about termination of the work of Russian border guards at Yerevan's Zvartnots International Airport, Russian presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov told reporters—and answering TASS' question.

    "Indeed, the departmental letter on this account was also received by the departments, now contacts are being made. I cannot say more now," Peskov noted, commenting on Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan’s statement about the Russian border guards at the Yerevan international airport.

    "Naturally, contacts will continue at all possible levels," the Kremlin spokesperson added.


    https://news.am/eng/news/811885.html

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    Armenia has to understand that there are no allies in the current world. The Pashinyan government has been foolish to the point that they just neglected the strategic moves made by the Azeri Government. Azerbaijan was arming itself to the teeth for years, Aliyev was signing hydrocarbon deals and trade MOUs with whoever could be a partner but what was Armenia doing to balance it? nothing. They chose to become Palestinians of the Caucasus. If they get American bases on their soil, are they assuming Iran and Russia will be OK with it? It's like the government is being run by imbeciles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oghuz View Post
    Armenia has to understand that there are no allies in the current world. The Pashinyan government has been foolish to the point that they just neglected the strategic moves made by the Azeri Government. Azerbaijan was arming itself to the teeth for years, Aliyev was signing hydrocarbon deals and trade MOUs with whoever could be a partner but what was Armenia doing to balance it? nothing. They chose to become Palestinians of the Caucasus. If they get American bases on their soil, are they assuming Iran and Russia will be OK with it? It's like the government is being run by imbeciles.
    Modernist, liberal thinking is infantile, it does not stand up to the test of adulthood and reality. For this type of thinking, the suggestion to look at the situation and the consequences from several points of view is a disaster and a betrayal, this is the thinking of a toddler. The collective "child" thinks so, "I must be supported in all my desires unconditionally, because your duty is to protect my rights." This is the position taken by modernist, "not old" states like Ukraine and Armenia at the international level. They sincerely repeat "You just have to save us. Our uniqueness, our achievements, our independence" and so on. As a rule, sincere fans of such states is only the part of the regular inhabitants of different countries who fall into the category of these infantile dreamers. In this World, those who really decide something, the majority, have a completely different, normal and pragmatic motivation, and at best they just have a passive opinion, uninterested in anyone's "salvation" at their own expense. Moreover, about 2/3 of the World's states do not live in this infantile and phantom paradigm, just like citizens of those states.

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    The worst time for such words, shifting from Russia will end up with their "how dare you not be treating us like biggest heroes ever for making bare minimum we signed for", leaving them alone. They are only considering pro-west moves, it may mean literally no steps will be made but it will give a "reason" for Azeris to make another actions. I hope not. The only reason for such words I can see here could be to get political support of people of Armenia.

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