Are Austrians Germans or is saying so racist and anti-semitic?

[Oliver109]

For the most part they are (some Austrians are same like Bavarians though), but why does that matter?
Germans are not genetically uniform and descend from different tribes.

Even within Bavaria there are differences.

Exactly, genetics doesn't mean much in the main as some different phenotypes are still genetically identical

[Septentrion]

Exactly, genetics doesn't mean much in the main as some different phenotypes are still genetically identical

True.

[Septentrion]

Exactly, genetics doesn't mean much in the main as some different phenotypes are still genetically identical

Austria = 60% Dinarid (Norid, Dinarid Proper) + 20% Alpinid + 20% Nordid

Germany = 45% Cromagnid + 20% Dinarid (Norid, Dinarid Proper) + 16% Nordid + 15% Alpinid + 5% Baltid (Tavastid)

Germany is much more diverse than Austria in Europid phenotypes as expected.

[Kess]

Austria = 60% Dinarid (Norid, Dinarid Proper) + 20% Alpinid + 20% Nordid

Germany = 45% Cromagnid + 20% Dinarid (Norid, Dinarid Proper) + 16% Nordid + 15% Alpinid + 5% Baltid (Tavastid)

Germany is much more diverse than Austria in Europid phenotypes as expected.

Source non-existent as usual.

[Oliver109]

Austria = 60% Dinarid (Norid, Dinarid Proper) + 20% Alpinid + 20% Nordid

Germany = 45% Cromagnid + 20% Dinarid (Norid, Dinarid Proper) + 16% Nordid + 15% Alpinid + 5% Baltid (Tavastid)

Germany is much more diverse than Austria in Europid phenotypes as expected.

It depends on the region mate, you are not gonna find the same phenotype mix in Bavaria that you will in Bremen

[Creoda]

Yorkshire used to be part of the kingdom of Northumbria and Germany hasn't been a country for that long anyway. Yorkshiremen don't even identify with the southern English that much and many see themselves more like the Scottish. Are Austrians that genetically different from Bavarians?

It was part of Northumbria and the Danelaw over a millennium ago, before there was an England. It has been a shire of England since it existed, never having an independent identity, unlike Austria, one of the great powers of Europe just over a century ago. Neither do people from the Midlands identify with Southern English, so what. They identify as English, unlike Austrians, who don't identify as German nationality-wise. There's more genetic divergence between native Austrians and Bavarians than between native English from anywhere. If it's about phenotypes, there's a far greater difference in average pigmentation between Austria and Germany than between say Yorkshire and Southern England, which is not even noticeable.

'Are Austrians Germans?' is a debated question, including in this thread from a person in Austria, but 'are Yorkshiremen English' has never been a question. The English are more comparable to a German tribe before confederation, while the German Empire/Germany is more comparable to the United Kingdom.

[Oliver109]

It was part of Northumbria and the Danelaw over a millennium ago, before there was an England. It has been a shire of England since it existed, never having an independent identity, unlike Austria, one of the great powers of Europe just over a century ago. Neither do people from the Midlands identify with Southern English, so what. They identify as English, unlike Austrians, who don't identify as German nationality-wise. There's more genetic divergence between native Austrians and Bavarians than between native English from anywhere. If it's about phenotypes, there's a far greater difference in average pigmentation between Austria and Germany than between say Yorkshire and Southern England, which is not even noticeable.

'Are Austrians Germans?' is a debated question, including in this thread from a person in Austria, but 'are Yorkshiremen English' has never been a question. The English are more comparable to a German tribe before confederation, while the German Empire/Germany is more comparable to the United Kingdom.

Thanks for the answer but i don't really see Yorkshire people as English in the same way as i see people from Sussex or Worcestershire as English, Englishness is such a loose definition and there are slight variations in pigmenation, food, culture etc that mean in many ways that going from say Sussex to Yorkshire is very much like going to a foreign country but with more similarities than France or even Belgium. Could you really say that the pigmentation of people in Salzburg is that different to people in Munich? Austria you could probably say is more divided than England on that front and it may well be said that areas bordering Germany are much like Germany essentially.

[Nordik]

No the majority of Austrians are not blond, the same as Bavarians.

[Smeagol]

Austrians are ethnic Germans obviously.

[Tooting Carmen]

Thanks for the answer but i don't really see Yorkshire people as English in the same way as i see people from Sussex or Worcestershire as English.

LMAO. Southern and Central England don't have the monopoly on what it means to be English. And in answer to the OP's question, Austrians are Germanic, but not German, though I would still say they look closer to Scandinavians (except maybe Finns) than to (Southern) Italians.