Are Austrians Germans or is saying so racist and anti-semitic?

[Oliver109]

Once again: political differences, not ethnic.

I think essentially yes they are the same ethnically though i believe that the Swiss are somewhat more dinaric

[Tooting Carmen]

Well they are minor but i would still say they are as significant as differences between the northern French and Walloons or perhaps even the Swedes and Norwegians, it certainly isn't to do with income but rather the personality differences, outlook or even food tastes which differ to an extent in the north, for example Northerners have more of a collectivist rather than a individualist outlook, tend to be more outgoing and have a more direct manner than the south, here people don't wear their emotions on their sleeves which often gives northerners a sense that we are on the hostile or unwelcoming side when really it is more of a character maybe related to the Saxon settlers and Normans.

That stuff you mentioned is to a significant extent indeed related to class and income. Are the business middle-classes of North Yorkshire really any different in attitudes and behaviour to their counterparts in Surrey? Conversely, are the working-classes of Essex and Kent really so much more individualistic, stuffy and reserved than their counterparts in Merseyside and Lancashire?

[Oliver109]

LOL what? Ironically, it is Scotland and Southern England that are in some ways strikingly alike - it was Scotland and London that voted to Remain in the EU, and while the rest of Southeast England marginally voted to leave, it was still much lower than in most of the North, big cities like Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds and Newcastle notwithstanding. (Also, in the Southeast there is a divide between the London commuter belt, which is very Remainer, and the coastal towns which are more Leave, with the crucial exception of middle-class hippyish Brighton). Related to that is that both Scotland and Southern England have a notably higher percentage of university-educated people than the North. (Even Glasgow has a somewhat higher percentage of university-educated people than most Northern English cities nowadays).

It is said that Scotland voted for remain because the SNP encouraged members to vote remain and also Scots have very little experience with immigration, most Scots don't actually go and spend much time in English cities that have high amounts of immigration so they don't notice the impact much.

[Creoda]

They are German. The only separation is political. Nobody ever talked about an "Austrian ethnicity" before 1945.

That is a language map though, not ethnic or national.

You can't really argue with how a nation self-identifies, regardless of how newfangled it is.

[Oliver109]

That stuff you mentioned is to a significant extent indeed related to class and income. Are the business middle-classes of North Yorkshire really any different in attitudes and behaviour to their counterparts in Surrey? Conversely, are the working-classes of Essex and Kent really so much more individualistic, stuffy and reserved than their counterparts in Merseyside and Lancashire?

I spoke to a man who worked on railway stations in the north of England and in the southern commuter belt, he said that the obviously well off northerners had a more open manner than ones in the south, i would say certainly Essex etc has more of a sink or swim attitude, almost a sort of Calvinist and Puritan attitude about matters, they are friendlier and quite polite but they don't have the same inquisitiveness and perhaps open nosiness that people in the north have.

[Tooting Carmen]

It is said that Scotland voted for remain because the SNP encouraged members to vote remain and also Scots have very little experience with immigration, most Scots don't actually go and spend much time in English cities that have high amounts of immigration so they don't notice the impact much.

There is an element of that, although Glasgow in particular has plenty of ethnic enclaves nowadays as well. However, I think Scottish attitudes towards themselves and the world are different from the English, whereas of course London voted to Remain due mainly to its cosmopolitanism and its heavy dependence on foreign trade and finance.

[Smeagol]

That is a language map though, not ethnic or national.

You can't really argue with how a nation self-identifies, regardless of how newfangled it is.

I can argue with it when it's a completely artificial, unhistoric, view.

Does the average Austrian believe they're not ethnically German though? I honestly don't know.

[Tooting Carmen]

I can argue with it when it's a completely artificial, unhistoric, view.

Does the average Austrian believe they're not ethnically German though? I honestly don't know.

Are (non-Quebecois) Canadians really the same as Americans?

[Oliver109]

There is an element of that, although Glasgow in particular has plenty of ethnic enclaves nowadays as well. However, I think Scottish attitudes towards themselves and the world are different from the English, whereas of course London voted to Remain due mainly to its cosmopolitanism and its heavy dependence on foreign trade and finance.

Are Scottish attitudes that different? i can't imagine a blue collar Dundeeman having very different ideas from someone from Sunderland, they might support the EU because they feel that it doesn't make a negative difference to their community because barely any Europeans will go there anyway.

[Smeagol]

Are (non-Quebecois) Canadians really the same as Americans?

They're quite similar. Carleton Coon saw white Americans and white Canadians as a single people in 1965 when he was writing his book, Living Races of Man.