LADOGAN (Apologies to forum members)

[r4veman]

Good afternoon dear forum members.
Yesterday I got acquainted with a new for me forum term "Ladoga".
Having studied only Gunther's works before I was not familiar with this term.
Seeing such a result in the influence I started to learn about this term and it seems that I approached from the wrong side.

I want to apologize for my intolerance and temper in the post about my personal taxonomy. As I indicated above, I was into racial anthropology from here on out, but mostly on my own and the concepts in my head got mixed up, I may have misunderstood someone. In any case, I shouldn't have behaved rudely.

Having research on this topic I realized that the term Ladoga type and Ladoga influence in the format of forum definition seem to be different.

The racial type that Coon calls Ladoga is literally identical to the Uralic type identified by Bunak.
People in the course of defining my racial type (including among those who mentioned Ladoga) have indicated that I would pass for a representative of the territories in which a person with a Uraloid type could not theoretically be a "local". Which begs the question.

Question: Do I understand correctly that the Ladoga substratum means cromanoid variations (most often influenced by another racial type) characteristic of Eastern Europe in particular?

I got a number of archaic features such as developed brow arches, deep set eyes and jaw shape from my grandfather who was typed on the same forum as a western baltid or falid. I got my soft tissues from my mother, who was typed here as baltoid.

Question: Do I understand correctly that the Ladoga traits mean archaic from my grandfather?

I have taken a dna test and have an know almost everything about origin. My ancestors are mostly from southwest and west of Russia, some of my distant maternal ancestors were from the Saratov region from the German colony "Warenburg" , part of the ancestors from my paternal grandfather's side go to Poland.
I am a carrier of r1a, and t2b accordingly.


Mother:




Maternal grandfather:



Paternal grandfather:

[Septentrion]

Good afternoon dear forum members.
Yesterday I got acquainted with a new for me forum term "Ladoga".
Having studied only Gunther's works before I was not familiar with this term.
Seeing such a result in the influence I started to learn about this term and it seems that I approached from the wrong side.

I want to apologize for my intolerance and temper in the post about my personal taxonomy. As I indicated above, I was into racial anthropology from here on out, but mostly on my own and the concepts in my head got mixed up, I may have misunderstood someone. In any case, I shouldn't have behaved rudely.

Having research on this topic I realized that the term Ladoga type and Ladoga influence in the format of forum definition seem to be different.

The racial type that Coon calls Ladoga is literally identical to the Uralic type identified by Bunak.
People in the course of defining my racial type (including among those who mentioned Ladoga) have indicated that I would pass for a representative of the territories in which a person with a Uraloid type could not theoretically be a "local". Which begs the question.

Question: Do I understand correctly that the Ladoga substratum means cromanoid variations (most often influenced by another racial type) characteristic of Eastern Europe in particular?

I got a number of archaic features such as developed brow arches, deep set eyes and jaw shape from my grandfather who was typed on the same forum as a western baltid or falid. I got my soft tissues from my mother, who was typed here as baltoid.

Question: Do I understand correctly that the Ladoga traits mean archaic from my grandfather?

I have taken a dna test and have an know almost everything about origin. My ancestors are mostly from southwest and west of Russia, some of my distant maternal ancestors were from the Saratov region from the German colony "Warenburg" , part of the ancestors from my paternal grandfather's side go to Poland.
I am a carrier of r1a, and t2b accordingly.


Mother:




Maternal grandfather:



Paternal grandfather:

The Ladogan has relations with the Uralid, but isn’t the Uralid.

[cass]

Trying to posthumously save Coon's authority is quite funny. The putative Ladogan race is formation of ca 40% WHG and 8-10% EEurasian .

[r4veman]

By the way, I have practically no Siberian and Ural components for k13 and k36, these values ​​are much lower than southern Russians and tend to zero, several times less than northern Russians, not to mention the Finno-Ugrians

[cass]

By the way, I have practically no Siberian and Ural components for k13 and k36, these values ​​are much lower than southern Russians and tend to zero, several times less than northern Russians, not to mention the Finno-Ugrians

My ancestors are mostly from southwest and west of Russia, some of my distant maternal ancestors were from the Saratov region from the German colony "Warenburg" , part of the ancestors from my paternal grandfather's side go to Poland.

Predictable outcome

[lei.talk]

...«Род HOMO, его возникновение и последующая эволюция»

Bunak Восточное Приуралье вместе с прилегающей с запада таежной полосой Европы было областью формирования особого антропологического комплекса, в котором сочетались небольшое уплощение лица, нерезкое набухание века, несколько ослабленная пигментация и т. д. Этот комплекс генетически не связан ни с восточным, ни с западным стволом и представляет собой самостоятельную северную евразийскую формацию

and consulting a map for the location of lake ladoga...

The Ladogan has relations with the Uralid,
but isn’t the Uralid.

if you provide a reference to the physical anthropologist
on which your statement is based, perhaps —

we will better understand your position.

[Anglo-Celtic]

The world breathes a sigh of relief. This was right up there with the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[lei.talk]

...von "Zeitschrift für Morphologie und Anthropologie"

The Ladogan has relations with the Uralid,
but isn’t the Uralid.

at any rate, please
share with us the physical anthropologist
on which your statement is based, perhaps —

we will better understand your position.

[cass]

source: Bunak V.V.,Nesturkh M.F., Roginski J.J.,Antropologija. Kratkij kurs, 1941


I am afraid that Bunak had something else in mind when formulating his concept of the Ural race.

[lei.talk]

source: Bunak V.V.,Nesturkh M.F., Roginski J.J.,Antropologija. Kratkij kurs, 1941


I am afraid that Bunak had something else in mind when formulating his concept of the Ural race.

please, articulate bunak's intentions.