LADOGAN (Apologies to forum members)

[cass]

we have no objections
to learning new details of physical anthropology —

which is why — when you posted:


our response was:

we have no objections
to the knowledge you possess.

our request is that you share the source:
which physical anthropologist wrote that
phenotypes only change through admixture?

that there is no adaptation/mutation/natural selection/evolution?
only change through admixture?

Arguably, the Retzius mentioned by Ripley is the father of CI as the holy grail of anthropology.
The"Asiatic" Basque example mentioned by Ripley quite amusingly illustrates stupidity of the hardliners.
Not to mention Grant, who explicitly wrote that The Alpine race is clearly of Eastern and Asiatic origin.

On the whole, the distribution of the cephalic index in Europe and adjacent countries is extremely significant when one remembers the historical and archaeological background, but viewing its present distribution alone one might easily form numerous false ideas about racial origins and continuities. It is sufficiently clear, however, that the zone of extreme brachycephaly in central Europe has several nuclei, and is separate from the Anatolian-Caucasic center and from that of the mongoloids of central Asia.

If Coon had seen that in one population the cephalic index could change by 8 points in one generation, he probably would not have written this sentence.
As far as I remember, already in the 1950s he turned his attention to climatic factors as those that could determine anthropological features.

Today we know much more about the plasticity of traits and their potential sources.
. And above all, we have access to genetics, which quite brutally verifies alleged population movements.

[cass]

Only if you show me Neolithic samples from Lake Ladoga. None of the modern populations circumscribed by you is even predominantly Ladogan.

Here you are.
Samples of both Neolithic groups prior to the expansion of the CWC into Baltics

Comb_Ceramic_Estonia,0.1314655,0.1314655,0.0741335 ,0.1455685,0.180558,0.0435465,0.0546625,-0.015393,-0.0041535,0.0084875,-0.0528485,0.0069015,-0.0221055,0.0264615,-0.0194735,0.028162,0.0167065,-0.0164285,-0.008995,-0.0022,0.0226985,0.0143495,0.0106345,-0.009798,-0.0451875
Volosovo_Yaroslavl_Berendeyevo,0.134311,0.062963,0 .156882,0.205106,0.030159,0.068049,0.00376,0.00692 3,0.000205,-0.059956,0.006333,-0.024428,0.026908,-0.028763,0.014658,0.019093,0.000913,0.001394,-0.028031,0.034016,0.031944,0.025225,0.007395,-0.049164,0.011616

Putting the nail in the coffin of the semi-mongoloid Ladodogan theory.

Baltic cultures affiliations in chronological order.

[Token]

Here you are.
Samples of both Neolithic groups prior to the expansion of the CWC into Baltics






[img]https://i.ibb.co/pLcM26H/Vahaduo-Global-25-Europe-1-PCA-14.png[/img

Putting the nail in the coffin of the semi-mongoloid Ladodogan theory.

Baltic cultures affiliations in chronological order.

They show clear East Eurasian admixture. Moreover, you model is crap, there is no Iran_N admixture in any of these samples.

[cass]

They show clear East Eurasian admixture. Moreover, you model is crap, there is no Iran_N admixture in any of these samples.

No one denies the Uralic influence among the Finno-Ugric people.
However, their expansion was limited.
Feel free to create a different model. If you substitute Yamanya, East Euroasiatic influence will be even less tangible.

[Token]

No one denies the Uralic influence among the Finno-Ugric people.
However, their expansion was limited.
Feel free to create a different model. If you substitute Yamanya, East Euroasiatic influence will be even less tangible.

The Comb Ceramic culture has nothing to do with Finno-Ugric, it was a population of native hunter-gatherers with influences from the east predating Finno-Ugrics by millenia, exactly as physical anthropologists claimed. You're just embarassing yourself in this thread.

[cass]

The Comb Ceramic culture has nothing to do with Finno-Ugric, it was a population of native hunter-gatherers with influences from the east predating Finno-Ugrics by millenia, exactly as physical anthropologists claimed. You're just embarassing yourself in this thread.

This is an academic discussion. It has no influence on the merits of the dispute.






The model containing Yamnaya was tested by Lehti Saag et all.

It suggests indeed the later arrival of the Finougrs.
But such a test contradicts the Ladogan theory even more.

EstBA individuals have no Nganasan-related ancestry and EstIA, IngIA, and EstMA individuals on average have 2% or 4%

Study also explains in a simple way the differences in autosmal and Y chromosome results.

[lei.talk]

the younger daughter of the librarian
for our local ásatrú church approached me
holding out a copy of this book:

she explained that one of the authors (elena zinovievna godina)
had conducted a study on school-children in moscow
indicating that the "round-heads" were evolving in to "a higher life-form"
over only a few decades.

my suspicion is she desires that issue of
Monatsschrift Kinderheilkunde: Zeitschrift für Kinder- und Jugendmedizin

children that are home-schooled behave differently

[lei.talk]

Not to mention Grant, who explicitly wrote that The Alpine race is clearly of Eastern and Asiatic origin.

in the geographical region
from which the alpinid appellation is derived,
what is revealed by the predominate genetics

• Early European Farmers

• West Siberian Hunter-Gatherer
  • Eastern Hunter-Gatherer
    • Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherer
• Western Hunter-Gatherer
  • Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers
    • Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
      • Western Steppe Herders

• Ancient Paleo-Siberian
• Ancient East Eurasians
• Ancient Northern East Asian
• Ancient Northeast Asian
• Ancient Southern East Asian

[cass]

in the geographical region
from which the alpinid appellation is derived,
what is revealed by the predominate genetics

• Early European Farmers

• West Siberian Hunter-Gatherer
  • Eastern Hunter-Gatherer
    • Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherer
• Western Hunter-Gatherer
  • Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers
    • Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
      • Western Steppe Herders

• Ancient Paleo-Siberian
• Ancient East Eurasians
• Ancient Northern East Asian
• Ancient Northeast Asian
• Ancient Southern East Asian

I've uploaded the available maps here.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7950061

Maybe you will find a solution. If there is a genetic basis...