Anyone else think that many people are trying to be LGBTQ because it is cool?

[CosmoLady]

Yes of course there is a social contagion aspect to LGBTQ.

Only 2% of baby boomers identify as LGBTQ,
compared to 4% of Gen X, 8% of Gen Y, and 20% of Gen Z, and 40% of Brown University students.

This tells me that the natural rate of homosexuality in a given population is in the low single digits.

Everything else is due to liberal environment/upbringing, family/social dysfunction (which is increasing),
mass media, social media, social contagion, peer pressure, mass formation.

After "sex education" lessons in elementary school, 2/3 of the class "identifies" as LGBTQ.
Woke moms with mental illness also strongly encourage or coerce their kids to be trans or queer/nonbinary.
This is what is happening in Weimar America.

I think that the rapid increase of LGBTQ is both heavily promoted by the media/woke regime,
and is also occurring as a result of unhelpful long-term social trends.

[tropicalslavic]

Yes of course there is a social contagion aspect to LGBTQ.

Only 2% of baby boomers identify as LGBTQ,
compared to 4% of Gen X, 8% of Gen Y, and 20% of Gen Z, and 40% of Brown University students.

This tells me that the natural rate of homosexuality in a given population is in the low single digits.

Everything else is due to liberal environment/upbringing, family/social dysfunction (which is increasing),
mass media, social media, social contagion.

After "sex education" lessons in elementary school, 2/3 of the class "identifies" as LGBTQ.
This is what is happening in Weimar America.

I think that the rapid increase of LGBTQ is both heavily promoted by the media/woke regime,
and is also occurring as a result of unhelpful long-term social trends.

A lot of the time with older generations even if they felt some homosexual inclination they weren't going to openly identify with it. I know for a fact one of my family members was a closeted gay in a dysfunctional straight marriage until he died. So the numbers are probably somewhere between what the boomers are and what young people today are.

[CosmoLady]

A lot of the time with older generations even if they felt some homosexual inclination they weren't going to openly identify with it. I know for a fact one of my family members was a closeted gay in a dysfunctional straight marriage until he died. So the numbers are probably somewhere between what the boomers are and what young people today are.

Sure, in conservative or "anti-gay" societies that is certainly the case.

But the Anglo and Nordic world has been very open, liberal and liberated for a long time.
Baby boomers in these countries have no problem identifying their sexual orientation on surveys.
The baby boomers should be most libertine generation (in the West), they lived through the urban gay decadence of the 1970s.

How open they are in everyday life, or who they are married to, or how happy they are, is another story.
Even today, as many gays/lesbians marry an opposite-sex partner as a same-sex partner,
suggesting that this choice is practical/convenient more than anything else.

I think that the Gen X percent (4%) is the highest natural percent gay for the West due to the most liberal circumstances.
Gen X is the most sexually active, the least inhibited socially, and are products of an unusually liberal time.
Subsequent generations have even more permissive sexual attitudes,
but Gen Y onward has been having less and less sex than previous generations,
while the percent of LGBT keeps increasing quickly, strongly suggesting media contagion, not authentic experience.

[Tooting Carmen]

But the Anglo and Nordic world has been very open, liberal and liberated for a long time.
Baby boomers in these countries have no problem identifying their sexual orientation on surveys.
The baby boomers should be most libertine generation (in the West), they lived through the urban gay decadence of the 1970s.

Yes and no. This depends on what you mean by "a long time". As counterintuitive as it might seem, countries like France, Italy and even Brazil and Argentina all legalised homosexuality several decades before most Anglophone countries did. (Not even Mussolini, Vichy, Castelo Branco or Videla recriminalised it). Of particular note is how Scotland and both parts of Ireland did not legalise it until well into the 1980's. (Had Wales maintained its own legal system, chances are it would have taken that long here too).

[CosmoLady]

Yes and no. This depends on what you mean by "a long time". As counterintuitive as it might seem, countries like France, Italy and even Brazil and Argentina all legalised homosexuality several decades before most Anglophone countries did. (Not even Mussolini, Vichy, Castelo Branco or Videla recriminalised it). Of particular note is how Scotland and both parts of Ireland did not legalise it until well into the 1980's. (Had Wales maintained its own legal system, chances are it would have taken that long here too).

Yes I meant Anglo and Nordic or Germanic countries, I don't know about the Latin countries.

Ireland is Catholic and was unusually traditional, I don't know how the society was in Scotland.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes I meant Anglo and Nordic or Germanic countries, I don't know about the Latin countries.

That's actually my point too: despite stereotypes to the contrary, for a long time Latin countries were sexually more liberal in many ways than Anglo/Germanic ones.

Ireland is Catholic and was unusually traditional, I don't know how the society was in Scotland.

Scotland was, and in some ways still is, very Presbyterian.

[CosmoLady]

Scotland was, and in some ways still is, very Presbyterian.

This is Calvinist right? Were the Scots more or less religious than the Dutch?

[Tooting Carmen]

This is Calvinist right?

Yes. You can see aspects of it even today, such as the SNP being on the vanguard of policies like minimum alcohol pricing. (And note how, when Nicola Sturgeon wanted to introduce gender self-ID, that was when the Scottish people truly had had enough).

Were the Scots more or less religious than the Dutch?

Nowadays about the same, not sure about the past.