Human Development Index by Latin American nation 2024

[Andullero]

The DR was, and to an extent still is, poorer than 50% of the Anglophone Caribbean with or without Haitian immigrants, and its diaspora is comparable in size to the Cuban one despite not having had a Comunist regime.

Without said immigrants weighing it down, the DR would be neck by neck with said societies, because you Anglos always like to gloss over the fact that the human indicators done by the UN and other intl. institutions don't separate the said indicators regarding ethnicity, so the deaths due to childbirth that happen in this country due to tending their pregnant women coming to give birth here (attention which is given to them for FREE, btw) are treated on the stats as if they happen to locals, so they predictably tend to worsen the country's outlook, and that's just one aspect. If we measure their impact on habitation and secutmrity the picture gets even worse. As regarding emigration, that is the predictable consequence of the labor market becoming worse due to the overabundance of cheap labor brought by said immigrants, the only point I'd be willing to give you being that it's partly on us, due to the oligarchic nature of this and most societies on this archipielago and mainland.

[Tooting Carmen]

Sin las continuas guerras con Haití se hubiera desarrollado mucho más
Haití deja como buen vecino para mi incluso al país de origen de tu madre

DR and Haiti haven't been at war with each other for several decades. The truth is that, whatever its recent improvements, DR hasn't really been that wonderful either and its high rates of emigration and (non-imported) poverty prove as much.

[Tooting Carmen]

Without said immigrants weighing it down, the DR would be neck by neck with said societies, because you Anglos always like to gloss over the fact that the human indicators done by the UN and other intl. institutions don't separate the said indicators regarding ethnicity, so the deaths due to childbirth that happen in this country due to tending their pregnant women coming to give birth here (attention which is given to them for FREE, btw) are treated on the stats as if they happen to locals, so they predictably tend to worsen the country's outlook, and that's just one aspect. If we measure their impact on habitation and secutmrity the picture gets even worse. As regarding emigration, that is the predictable consequence of the labor market becoming worse due to the overabundance of cheap labor brought by said immigrants, the only point I'd be willing to give you being that it's partly on us, due to the oligarchic nature of this and most societies on this archipielago and mainland.

I don't deny that the Haitian situation is a reason behind the DR's problems, but it is not the reason. Why have so many Dominicans migrated to PR and the US (and still do) if it were so prosperous and wonderful?

[Tooting Carmen]

More generally, as I have argued lots of times previously, those who say that Haiti is like it is due to its racial demographics/admixture seem to deliberately overlook the fact that it is such an extreme outlier for the Caribbean and that there are lots of other factors at play too.

[axel.aleman]

More generally, as I have argued lots of times previously, those who say that Haiti is like it is due to its racial demographics/admixture seem to deliberately overlook the fact that it is such an extreme outlier for the Caribbean and that there are lots of other factors at play too.

Tu sabes bien que ese no es el problema pero te haces
Sino que son mala gente al extremo, mataron a su población blanca y de raza mixta y lo mismo hicieron parcialmente del otro lado de la isla.
Odian a los dominicanos por ser de raza mixta también

[Tooting Carmen]

Tu sabes bien que ese no es el problema pero te haces
Sino que son mala gente al extremo, mataron a su población blanca y de raza mixta y lo mismo hicieron parcialmente del otro lado de la isla.
Odian a los dominicanos por ser de raza mixta también

I am aware of the brutality of the Haitian Revolution (though ironically it was probably no more so than the Revolution of its former colonial master), but the point is that there are lots of other Caribbean countries which are more-or-less as homogeneously Black that are economically and politically nothing like it.

[Andullero]

I don't deny that the Haitian situation is a reason behind the DR's problems, but it is not the reason. Why have so many Dominicans migrated to PR and the US (and still do) if it were so prosperous and wonderful?

Dude, Hispaniola without that enctity and its demographic surplus would really be paradise, since Dominguan demographic density would not only be more in agreement with the island's size, but also the impact on the insular environment would be lesser (if one makes the exercise of extrapolation regarding the nation's demographics). On the other hand, if it would be us the one gone, Haiti would still be a shithole, whose demographics would still by necessity do island hopping, cuz that nation is sort of still playing overcompensation over the children they aborted during slavery time. As per the emigration, I already partly conceded above that we arent the last Coca Cola in the desert, but you arent taking into account that the flip side is that we are also one of the countries of the continent with the highest rates of returning immigration, which has translated itself in less political participation in US politics (by contrast with both Cubans and Haitians, which have more representatives than us on the political arena) and the reason is very simple: why bother participating in politics there if one plans on making Aaliyah eventually?

[Tooting Carmen]

Dude, Hispaniola without that enctity and its demographic surplus would really be paradise, since Dominguan demographic density would not only be more in agreement with the island's size, but also the impact on the insular environment would be lesser (if one makes the exercise of extrapolation regarding the nation's demographics). On the other hand, if it would be us the one gone, Haiti would still be a shithole, whose demographics would still by necessity do island hopping, cuz that nation is sort of still playing overcompensation over the children they aborted during slavery time. As per the emigration, I already partly conceded above that we arent the last Coca Cola in the desert, but you arent taking into account that the flip side is that we are also one of the countries of the continent with the highest rates of returning immigration, which has translated itself in less political participation in US politics (by contrast with both Cubans and Haitians, which have more representatives than us on the political arena) and the reason is very simple: why bother participating in politics there if one plans on making Aaliyah eventually?

The DR has been doing well recently, but as you have previously admitted yourself it was pretty poor for a long time (though never comparable to its neighbour, of course). But seriously, while needless to say I am not a racial determinist like more than a few other forum members are, answer this: if even Argentina, with its large European immigrant population, abundant land and natural resources and well-educated population is not exactly a paradise (its period under the sun was pretty brief in the grand scheme of things), what makes you think the DR would be?

[Andullero]

The DR has been doing well recently, but as you have previously admitted yourself it was pretty poor for a long time (though never comparable to its neighbour, of course). But seriously, while needless to say I am not a racial determinist like more than a few other forum members are, answer this: if even Argentina, with its large European immigrant population, abundant land and natural resources and well-educated population is not exactly a paradise (its period under the sun was pretty brief in the grand scheme of things), what makes you think the DR would be?

If we played the racial deterministic game, then Chile's success vs Argentina wouldnt be able to be explained due to the above being more mestizo, and ergo, supposed to underperform in comparison.

As regarding Hispaniola, I can't help but believe with every fiber of my pardo being that it would be immensely better had us Domis been alone here, cuz we wouldnt only have to deal with that consistently failed quilombo lodged on our West, but by necessity we would have had no other choice than to address our societal disparities by the absence of said existential threat bearing on us. Sounds circular, but you'd get the gist of it once you deeply ponder about it. I am not claiming that we would be THE no. 1 of our Sub-hemisphere before you start jabbing the finger (somehow you cant for the life of you avoid dealing in absolutes), but that we would be on the top three (like pre-revolutionary Cuba apparently was)? definitely.

[Tooting Carmen]

If we played the racial deterministic game, then Chile's success vs Argentina wouldnt be able to be explained due to the above being more mestizo, and ergo, supposed to underperform in comparison.

Indeed, but (1) this elemental understanding seems to be beyond lots of other forum members, (2) at least based on this study, Chile is only a little more successful than Argentina and (3) the two countries have essentially the same genetic elements, only that they differ somewhat in proportion - but they don't have the large SSA admixture DR has.

As regarding Hispaniola, I can't help but believe with every fiber of my pardo being that it would be immensely better had us Domis been alone here, cuz we wouldnt only have to deal with that consistently failed quilombo lodged on our West, but by necessity we would have had no other choice than to address our societal disparities by the absence of said existential threat bearing on us. Sounds circular, but you'd get the gist of it once you deeply ponder about it. I am not claiming that we would be THE no. 1 of our Sub-hemisphere before you start jabbing the finger (somehow you cant for the life of you avoid dealing in absolutes), but that we would be on the top three (like pre-revolutionary Cuba apparently was)? definitely.

What makes you believe that the DR would be among the leaders of the Caribbean and/or Latin America?