Are the Dutch and NW Germans really the same people?

[Watersater79]

Following on from the 'Danish' thread, there is no doubt that Germany is a diverse country, slap-bang in central Europe with a young political history. No doubt, northern Germans have more genetically in common wuth Scandinavians (and the Dutch) than they do with Bavarians. However, although the genetic lines are seemingly blurry, i still find the Dutch and NW Germans to look somewhat different, although there is considerable overlap in terms of looks as well. I can't quite put my finger on it but there does seem to be a very distinctive Dutch look. Benny Sings, Ruud Lubbers and Johan Cruyff would all look rather atypical in northern Germany, IMHO. Meanwhile, I think Manuel Neuer would look rather atypical in the Netherlands.
My friend (whose mother is Dutch) gave me a 1980 Dutch film called 'Spetters' directed by Paul Verhoeven (who also directed Robocop). Watching it, I was astounded at just how 'Dutch' everyone looked even though the Netherlands is hardly in isolated spot.

[Oliver109]

Do you maybe wanna post some examples and let us judge? I personally think the Dutch are paler and more western shifted.

[Hektor12]

Of course, people like VVD would look foreign in Germany but this people are of same origin, they resemble each other more than any other people. Dutch=Shortened Deutsch.

[RobocopReturns]

Following on from the 'Danish' thread, there is no doubt that Germany is a diverse country, slap-bang in central Europe with a young political history. No doubt, northern Germans have more genetically in common wuth Scandinavians (and the Dutch) than they do with Bavarians. However, although the genetic lines are seemingly blurry, i still find the Dutch and NW Germans to look somewhat different, although there is considerable overlap in terms of looks as well. I can't quite put my finger on it but there does seem to be a very distinctive Dutch look. Benny Sings, Ruud Lubbers and Johan Cruyff would all look rather atypical in northern Germany, IMHO. Meanwhile, I think Manuel Neuer would look rather atypical in the Netherlands.
My friend (whose mother is Dutch) gave me a 1980 Dutch film called 'Spetters' directed by Paul Verhoeven (who also directed Robocop). Watching it, I was astounded at just how 'Dutch' everyone looked even though the Netherlands is hardly in isolated spot.

Robocop here. lol

Anyway, I wouldn't say they're the same people, you could then draw the same analogy with many people across the Europe, considering geographical locations (near each others), which is ofcourse total logical.

So going by that analogy, North Serbs would be Same people like Eastern Croats, or Southern Croats would be same people as Montenegrins.

North Croats would be same as Slovenians.

Then North Eeastern/eastern French would be like Germans etc etc...

[Teutone]

Following on from the 'Danish' thread, there is no doubt that Germany is a diverse country, slap-bang in central Europe with a young political history. No doubt, northern Germans have more genetically in common wuth Scandinavians (and the Dutch) than they do with Bavarians. However, although the genetic lines are seemingly blurry, i still find the Dutch and NW Germans to look somewhat different, although there is considerable overlap in terms of looks as well. I can't quite put my finger on it but there does seem to be a very distinctive Dutch look. Benny Sings, Ruud Lubbers and Johan Cruyff would all look rather atypical in northern Germany, IMHO. Meanwhile, I think Manuel Neuer would look rather atypical in the Netherlands.
My friend (whose mother is Dutch) gave me a 1980 Dutch film called 'Spetters' directed by Paul Verhoeven (who also directed Robocop). Watching it, I was astounded at just how 'Dutch' everyone looked even though the Netherlands is hardly in isolated spot.

How autistic can a Person be?

Manuel Neuer or any German in the Netherlands will most likely be addressed on dutch as 99.99% of the human population dont know any phenotype and see a blonde white dude in the Netherlands as very likely to be native or not too foreign.

[Russki]

Genetically it's like this:

North Dutch = Lower Saxony

Central Dutch = Westphalia

South Dutch = North Rhine, Rhineland-Palatinate, North Hesse

Flemish = Rhineland-Palatinate, South Hesse, Baden-Wurttemberg, Bavaria

[Kess]

Genetically it's like this:

North Dutch = Lower Saxony

Central Dutch = Westphalia

South Dutch = North Rhine, Rhineland-Palatinate, North Hesse

Flemish = Rhineland-Palatinate, South Hesse, Baden-Wurttemberg, Bavaria

Are Dutch closer to English or NW Germans?

[Oliver109]

How autistic can a Person be?

Manuel Neuer or any German in the Netherlands will most likely be addressed on dutch as 99.99% of the human population dont know any phenotype and see a blonde white dude in the Netherlands as very likely to be native or not too foreign.

I think there are differences between Dutch and Germans like there are differences between English and Scots or French and Swiss, there are likely some people in Netherlands who don't pass in Germany.

[Teutone]

I think there are differences between Dutch and Germans like there are differences between English and Scots or French and Swiss, there are likely some people in Netherlands who don't pass in Germany.

Individuals from Germany that would be seen as exotic or foreign in the Netherlands, are also exotic in Germany.

Same can be applied vice versa.

The general German and Dutch population look the same to any person that is not interested in anthropology, so by that 99% of German and Dutch citizens.

[Creoda]

Are they generally considered 'the same people'? Or just very similar/closely related (not the same thing). The latter is the only real answer.

Are the Dutch really the same people? Or just an early modern confederation of Franks, Saxons and Frisians? Because they generally are talked of as being one people, despite relatively large differences within.