Are the Dutch and NW Germans really the same people?

[Oliver109]

Individuals from Germany that would be seen as exotic or foreign in the Netherlands, are also exotic in Germany.

Same can be applied vice versa.

The general German and Dutch population look the same to any person that is not interested in anthropology, so by that 99% of German and Dutch citizens.

I think Dutch can have some more occuring traits like large mouths, wider faces and generally extreme faelid and Anglo Saxon types that I think are less occurring in Germany, I'm gonna post some examples now.

[#Oda#]

Imo there's a slight difference, but I wouldn‘t go that far and say there are Dutch that could not pass in Germany. To my observation there‘s especially a distinct Northern Dutch look, where people look in average somewhat differently than Germans as a whole in any case, but also than NW Germans. It probably also plays a role that Germans have been put through the grinder after WW2, drastically expressed.

[Oliver109]

Although both pairings may have slight differences at a group level, individually nearly all Portuguese and Spaniards could pass for the other and likewise Dutch and Germans.

I doubt it, I have said many times that there are people from Scotland and northern England who wouldn't pass in say Devon, there are certainly looks more local to a place sometimes.

[Oliver109]

Anyway here are pics, Groningen



Some of these people look super northern

The people are from Groningen but obviously this is at least 200km south of there


Bremen DE



Yes these are all Germans, at least the boys on the top row are





Sorry about the 2 Wxxs

[Watersater79]

How autistic can a Person be?

Manuel Neuer or any German in the Netherlands will most likely be addressed on dutch as 99.99% of the human population dont know any phenotype and see a blonde white dude in the Netherlands as very likely to be native or not too foreign.

Well yes I am Autistic AF. Stupendously so I might add.

[rothaer]

Most people here, including the OP, have essentially applicable imaginations of Dutch and Germans. Considering this, the question is far too undefined. So 80% of the time people will unnecessarily talk past each other.

Following on from the 'Danish' thread, there is no doubt that Germany is a diverse country, slap-bang in central Europe with a young political history. (...)

This is an unbearable popular nonsense. I'll refrain from speculating with what intent this post WWII "insight" may have become distributed.

Germany exists as an own political entity since 843 when the East Frankish Empire evolved, which was then continued as the HRE till 1806, so alomst for thousand years. There were only 9 years of interruption till the German Confederation was founded in 1815 expressly as its successor. This lasted till 1866 and there were only 5 years of interruption till the German Empire of 1871 was founded.

What makes Germany having a "young" political history? To have had in sum 14 years of interruption in over 1000 years of existence as a political entity?!

Or the HRE having contained also non-German areas like Northern Italy? Then you would also say that Russia has just a very "young political history", because the Soviet Union and tsarist Russia doesn't count because it comprised also Khasakstan, Armenia etc.?

Spoiler!

In contrast to those posessions, the HRE possession in Northern Italy actually had been legitimated also out of an ethnic connection, as that possession was derived from the Longobard kingdom and the Longobards were not just Germanics but later Germans proper, as linguists found out. The late Longobards could even be attributed the first Germans proper as they were the first Germanics that had the so called German sound shift, defining German and separating it linguistically from other Germanics.

[Watersater79]

Imo there's a slight difference, but I wouldn‘t go that far and say there are Dutch that could not pass in Germany. To my observation there‘s especially a distinct Northern Dutch look, where people look in average somewhat differently than Germans as a whole in any case, but also than NW Germans. It probably also plays a role that Germans have been put through the grinder after WW2, drastically expressed.

'Put through the grinder'. I know what you entailing but could you elaborate, bitte?

[Watersater79]

I think Dutch can have some more occuring traits like large mouths, wider faces and generally extreme faelid and Anglo Saxon types that I think are less occurring in Germany, I'm gonna post some examples now.

It is interesting because the Dutch are thought of as a generally 'longer-faced' population by European standards, but I guess there are phenotypical extremities; with more extreme Nordid types AND more extreme Borreby types. Coon and co. mentioned that the Dutch were metrically the same as the English and 'old-stock' Americans (who were/are of mostly/almost entirely/entirely English ancestry). He also emphasised that the Dutch population could be described as being a predominantly Nordid population with Upper-Paleolithic influence (Anglo-Saxon). However, a great swathe of Dutchies tend to have big, heavy jaws on a level that you don't see in England.

[AlbonicScholar]

I have also thought the Dutch looked more Scandinavian

[Watersater79]

I have also thought the Dutch looked more Scandinavian

You are implying the Dutch are a generally 'good-looking' population? In some ways I do agree. The Dutch and Danes do often look very similar (and despite being Scandinavian, most Danes I have met have actually felt closer to the Dutch than anyone else).