Mentally, what is the difference between irish and english ?

[Septentrion]

Where are all these Tronders you speak of in this picture?

I said Scotland as a whole has a higher frequency of the Tronder than England and Wales put together. Although it is agreed that North - East England has a fair share as well. Jeremy Kyle is a good example ( he could be of Scottish descent, not sure). The likes of Kevin McKidd (Scotland). Lochlyn Munro (Canadian of some Scottish descent), Mark William Calloway (US).

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Where are all these Tronders you speak of in this picture?

Firstly please smarten up. You sure know that the most common Europid phenotype in the British Isles is the Keltic Nordid. Thus in Both England and Scotland, you'd have the Keltic Nordid as the basic racial type. Then English would have more of the Anglo-Saxons, while Scottish folks have more of Tronders. I did not pay attention to the picture, you posted, but I saw a person who would as Tronder in there. Anyway, when I say that Scotland has a higher frequency of Tronders than England, this cannot be solved by one picture. Ok. Scotland is more of a blue-eyed than England as a whole (though parts of England are just as blue-eyed). My point is that the English and Scottish are still not identical, for example the historical Danelaw area in England still has the highest incidence of people born naturally blonde-haired in the British Isles, while southeastern, northeastern Scotland has some of the highest incidence of people born naturally ginger-haired.
Going by the major phenotypes found in those population, the difference is told by Frequency.
Nordid family
Anglo - Saxon (England > Scotland)
Hallstatt Nordid (England > Scotland)
Keltic Nordid (England = Scotland)
North Atlantid (England > Scotland)
Tronder (Scotland > England)

Cromagnid family
Borreby (England > Scotland)
Brunn (England = Scotland)
Dalofaelid (England > Scotland)
Paleo Atlantid (England = Scotland)

Dinarid family
Norid (Scotland > England)

[Septentrion]

Where are all these Tronders you speak of in this picture?

Anyway, both the English and Scottish are predominantly Nordid in race. More so than many other nations in Europe.

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The poor Jutes are ignored once again. Jute Brady: "It's always Saxons, Saxons, Saxons!"

True. The Jutes who came from the Jutland Peninsula have been ignored, probably because they were less numerous than either the Saxons or the Angles. Or their political influence wasn’t as powerful as that of Saxons. Due to the fact in every British speech as well as Gaelic, the Anglo-Saxons are referred to as just «*Saxons*».

[Mingle]

Irishmen seem more nationalistic than the English, similar to Scots. And a bit more religious (though still very much liberals).

[Oliver109]

Irishmen seem more nationalistic than the English, similar to Scots. And a bit more religious (though still very much liberals).

The English are more nationalistic, it's just a quieter and less self righteous nationalism, same with Spain in a way too.

[Mingle]

The English are more nationalistic, it's just a quieter and less self righteous nationalism, same with Spain in a way too.

They're similar in terms of civic nationalism, but the Irish are much more ethnonationalistic. Englishmen put Britain ahead of England, hardly care about Saint George's day, barely fly the English flag (outside sports), don't give two hoots about reclaiming Southeast Scotland (historically English region and still English-speaking), and allowed the politically much weaker Scotland a great chance to secede (who in contrast to the English strongly value Scottish identity over British, even if they're not necessarily separatist) while the Irish still constantly talk about how Northern Ireland belongs to them and Saint Patrick's Day is a very popular holiday there. Ireland's two main parties Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin also have separatist Irish nationalist roots.

Castilians are kinda similar to the English where they are the main ethnicity, and don't care about being Castilian and sacrifice their Castilian identity for a pan-Spanish one. Even Castilian-speaking regions with former Castilian identity are generic Spaniards now with no proper ethnic identity (just a regional one) like Andalusia, Murcia, La Rioja, and Cantabria. They also call their language Spanish instead of Castilian, which is sharing their language with others. This is in stark contrast to Catalans whose democratically elected leader pushed for an independent Catalonia and their nationalists claim Valencia and the Baleares.

[Mingle]

Don't forget the poor Angles, this small obscure tribe from the eastern side of the Jutish peninsula, forced to completely relocate, possibly early 'climate refugees', still getting the blame for all the problems in the world 1600 years later, after the Jews at least. The Saxons were a bit naughty on the other hand, if you believe Gildas (but can you trust a Welshman? My dad has a particular resentment for Gerald of Wales, or 'Gerry' as he called him, for his 12th century portrayal of the Irish - he also had the same opinion as you about the Irish having the best and worst looking people).

Saxon ethnic identity is completely dead, even in Old Saxony. So nobody really cares about them.

[Oliver109]

They're similar in terms of civic nationalism, but the Irish are much more ethnonationalistic. Englishmen put Britain ahead of England, hardly care about Saint George's day, barely fly the English flag (outside sports), don't give two hoots about reclaiming Southeast Scotland (historically English region and still English-speaking), and allowed the politically much weaker Scotland a great chance to secede (who in contrast to the English strongly value Scottish identity over British, even if they're not necessarily separatist) while the Irish still constantly talk about how Northern Ireland belongs to them and Saint Patrick's Day is a very popular holiday there. Ireland's two main parties Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin also have separatist Irish nationalist roots.

Castilians are kinda similar to the English where they are the main don't care about being Castilian and sacrifice their Castilian identity for a pan-Spanish one. Even Castilian-speaking regions with former Castilian identity are generic Spaniards now with no real ethnic identity (just a regional one) like Andalusia, Murcia, La Rioja, and Cantabria. They also call their language Spanish instead of Castilian, which is sharing their language with others. This is in stark contrast to Catalans whose democratically elected leader pushed for an independent Catalonia and their nationalists claim Valencia and the Baleares.

I thought Irish were obsessed with calling anyone born in Ireland if Nigerian or Polish "Irish" while patriotic English would be reluctant to refer to even people like me as English and probably idealize the English as a pale Anglo Nordic type. We know that South East Scotland is basically Scottish now in its makeup but we do still rally to the cause of unionism because we believe that Scotland is basically British and more English than Irish in it's culture and values. The Northern Irish are predominantly Catholic now so I can see the problem there and as I have said many times Northern Irish Catholics are definitely a distinct and more Brunet population than the British with a different culture i.e Palestine support.

[Mingle]

The English oppressed the Irish, Scottish and Welsh about as much as we (Belgians) oppressed the Congolese, Rwandese, Burundians in the colonial epoch. This how I see it.

Belgians never oppressed the Congolese. Most of the deaths were occurring before Leopold made the Congo his estate and as a result of disease and infighting. And the sources on his brutality were from one woke White American and another Black American. His exaggerated atrocities have mostly become mainstream pop culture knowledge cause of a book written by Adam Hochschild who never visited the Congo and embellished info in his book. Most of the Force Publique was also actually comprised of native Africans. Although the commanders were mostly European, and their presence actually reduced deaths among the Congolese compared to when there were Black commanders. There was a private Italian and French commission that observed this.

Later when Leopold gave Congo to Belgium, the Congo became the most advanced and richest country in Africa bested by only South Africa. Then when it was given independence, Congo became the backwater it is today.

The English oppressed the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh but their overseas colonies greatly benefitted from English/British rule. Also, Dutch culture was similarly oppressed under Belgium.