As a whole, do Europeans or South Asians pass better in the Middle East and North Africa?

[Aldaris]

The Caucasus and Turkey is not MENA btw, the intersection between Europe and the former region is far greater than the intersection between South Asia. However MENA, so north Africa, middle east ( Levant, Gulf Arab and Mesopatamia/Iran) have more overlap with South Asia than Europe.

By most definitions, Turkey is considered part of MENA. In the case of the Caucasus, it's more like 50/50. Anyway, pick a random European, a random South Asian, and a random MENA country. If I were to bet on who would stick out more with no additional information, I would pick the South Asian over the European without a doubt.

[arkas]

I'm talking about Europe and South Asia however. Based on PCA plots which are flawed, one would think Yemenis are "closer" to Europe than to south Asia, however even a child can see they phenotypically look Alot more like south Asians than Europeans.

To me they look noticeably foreign to South Asia because they have a mixture of African and Mediterranean influence in their phenotype which doesn’t exist in South Asia.

[Avicenna]

To me they look noticeably foreign to South Asia because they have a mixture of African and Mediterranean influence in their phenotype which doesn’t exist in South Asia.

They would also look just as foreign if not more in Europe. South Asians do have med like admixture in the form of Gracile indid, nord indid etc in case you want to tell me southern Europeans and Yemenis are med. Pick a random Yemeni, a random greek ( not even central or northern European) and random Pakistani, I would reckon the south Asian and Yemeni will look Alot closer.

[Avicenna]

By most definitions, Turkey is considered part of MENA. In the case of the Caucasus, it's more like 50/50. Anyway, pick a random European, a random South Asian, and a random MENA country. If I were to bet on who would stick out more with no additional information, I would pick the South Asian over the European without a doubt.

No way man, Turkey cannot be classed as middle east, in what sense? They lack Natufian admxiture, the signature of the middle east, they are not semitic either. Caucasus is no way on earth MENA bro. MENA is North Africa, Levant, Gulf and Mesopatamia.

[arkas]

They would also look just as foreign if not more in Europe. South Asians do have med like admixture in the form of Gracile indid, nord indid etc in case you want to tell me southern Europeans and Yemenis are med. Pick a random Yemeni, a random greek ( not even central or northern European) and random Pakistani, I would reckon the south Asian and Yemeni will look Alot closer.

Okay sure I’ll agree with that, though they’re not what the Middle Eastern average is, so I don’t know how this relates to the original question posted.

[Oliver109]

No way man, Turkey cannot be classed as middle east, in what sense? They lack Natufian admxiture, the signature of the middle east, they are not semitic either. Caucasus is no way on earth MENA bro. MENA is North Africa, Levant, Gulf and Mesopatamia.

You mad? Turks have Natufian like pretty much all Eurasians, i think even Irish have Natufian admixture.

[Avicenna]

You mad? Turks have Natufian like pretty much all Eurasians, i think even Irish have Natufian admixture.

On illustrative DNA which is based on G25, Europeans don't score any Natufian. Turks score almost zero percent Natufian as well.

[Avicenna]

Okay sure I’ll agree with that, though they’re not what the Middle Eastern average is, so I don’t know how this relates to the original question posted.

Middle eastern average includes - Bahrain, Qatari, Kuwaiti, Yemeni, Oman, UAE, Saudi, Egyptian, Jordanian, Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian, Palestinian. At random, all of these groups on average have dark hair, dark eyes and olive skin. Yes levantines and Iranians are on the lighter end of the spectrum in this group however I've seen so many videos where the cameraman asks the individual where they are from, and at random times they can all look relatively look similar to each other.

[Kess]

By most definitions, Turkey is considered part of MENA. In the case of the Caucasus, it's more like 50/50. Anyway, pick a random European, a random South Asian, and a random MENA country. If I were to bet on who would stick out more with no additional information, I would pick the South Asian over the European without a doubt.

Caucasus is not part of MENA and North Caucasia is within Europe.

[Kess]

No way man, Turkey cannot be classed as middle east, in what sense? They lack Natufian admxiture, the signature of the middle east, they are not semitic either. Caucasus is no way on earth MENA bro. MENA is North Africa, Levant, Gulf and Mesopatamia.

Second time we agree.