Phenotypically were Anglo-Saxons closer to the Irish than to the English?

[Septentrion]

Interesting, genetically i think Bell Beakers came from there right?

Yes, they came from the Low Countries. Are these Irish women phenotypically Beaker Folk?
https://curlyhairglow.com/wp-content...n-ireland.webp

[Creoda]

Interesting, genetically i think Bell Beakers came from there right?

They came from the Netherlands, yes. What percentage of Bell Beaker/Bronze Age Netherlands ancestry the modern Dutch have is unclear, but the North Dutch/Frisians evidently have the most of it. That's why individual Frisians often plot with Scottish and Irish on calculators. Southern Dutch never do, but often plot with the English.

[Oliver109]

They came from the Netherlands, yes. What percentage of Bell Beaker/Bronze Age Netherlands ancestry the modern Dutch have is unclear, but the North Dutch/Frisians evidently have the most of it. That's why individual Frisians often plot with Scottish and Irish on calculators.

It is interesting though that despite bell beaker ancestry in Britain and Ireland the proportion of Med, Alpine and Brunn phenotypes is clearly higher than in most of the Netherlands.

[Creoda]

It is interesting though that despite bell beaker ancestry in Britain and Ireland the proportion of Med, Alpine and Brunn phenotypes is clearly higher than in most of the Netherlands.

Is it? Generalising the British Isles and the Netherlands as homogenous units is mistaken.

[Oliver109]

Is it? Generalising the British Isles and the Netherlands as homogenous units is mistaken.

Yeah, in north Netherlands there are very few Meds, especially graciles or alpine meds, also there are very few Brunns especially compared to Scotland and Ireland.

[Creoda]

Yeah, in north Netherlands there are very few Meds, especially graciles or alpine meds, also there are very few Brunns especially compared to Scotland and Ireland.

I'm not going to argue about arbitrary terms like Alpine, Med and Brunn, that are open to interpretation. I'd prefer to discuss verifiable things. In genetics and pigmentation the British Isles and the Netherlands are mixed bags, with more difference within them than between them on average.

[Septentrion]

Yeah, in north Netherlands there are very few Meds, especially graciles or alpine meds, also there are very few Brunns especially compared to Scotland and Ireland.

I think you are either generalizing or you might be slightly confused. The Mediterranean race as such, has absolutely no importance in the populations of the British Isles and the Netherlands. Mediterranean complexions reach their lowest ratio in the British Isles regardless of hair or eye colour. This is why skin types with the inability to tan ("Truly white skin") reach the highest frequency there. Even genetically darker skin is dominant. In Europids, dark hair doesn't hail only from the Mediterranid, but from the Alpinid, Dinarid, East Europid, Cromagnid phenotypes. The Alpinid race as a whole is virtually absent from the British Isles, is what constitutes one of the principal differences between the French and the British besides pigmentation. It occurs on individual basis but never as a dominating force. Brunns are most common in the populations of the British Isles, especially Ireland and Scandinavia, not the Netherlands or Belgium where the Borreby and the Dalofaelids are more numerous. This is simply an adaptation to climate. In the gloomiest part of Northern Europe, hair tends to be slightly darker or redder, while skin colour is paler, very sun sensitive with a weak tanning ability or none at all and is more prone to freckling. This is what is reflected is the populations of the British Isles (particularly the Celtic Fringe) and South - West Norway. While in the sunnier parts of Northern Europe, hair colour is lighter, with a relatively fair skin that has more propensity to develop more melanin when exposed enough in the sun. This is what's reflected in the populations of Scandinavia, Balts, North Dutch, North Germans, etc..

[Regnera]

I don't think so.

[looney_tunes]

You are using the wrong tool , for the job. The right tool is not G25 but the Celtic vs Germanic PCA on vahaduo. I am on a smart phone so I won't make a PCA. If you make one with the Irish, English, Saxons and the English Iron Age it will show that the English are closer to the Saxons than the Irish. Like %1of the Irish look Angle-Saxon ,compared to 20% of the English --not including the faelid,Tronder and Hallstat nordic people in England. The Angle-Saxons looked like overgrown hallsatt Nordic Swedes.

Where did you find about 1% and 20%?