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    Default Phenotypically were Anglo-Saxons closer to the Irish than to the English?

    Although the Irish don't descend from Anglo-Saxons, phenotypically were Anglo-Saxons closer to the Irish than to the English?

    Global 25 results:

    Distance to: England_Saxon
    0.01553202 Irish
    0.01815075 English

    Distance to: England_Saxon.SG
    0.01411547 Irish
    0.01761217 English

    Distance to: England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon
    0.01643549 Irish
    0.02001475 English

    Distance to: England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon.SG
    0.03036594 Irish
    0.03383895 English

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    Quote Originally Posted by looney_tunes View Post
    Although the Irish don't descend from Anglo-Saxons, phenotypically were Anglo-Saxons closer to the Irish than to the English?

    Global 25 results:

    Distance to: England_Saxon
    0.01553202 Irish
    0.01815075 English

    Distance to: England_Saxon.SG
    0.01411547 Irish
    0.01761217 English

    Distance to: England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon
    0.01643549 Irish
    0.02001475 English

    Distance to: England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon.SG
    0.03036594 Irish
    0.03383895 English
    No phenotypically the Anglo - Saxons are of Germanic cast ( Nordids with a good tendency for blonde hair and blue eyes). Genetically both the Irish and Anglo-Saxons are very Northern European. They both have less genes from non - Northern European origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    No phenotypically the Anglo - Saxons are of Germanic cast ( Nordids with a good tendency for blonde hair and blue eyes). Genetically both the Irish and Anglo-Saxons are very Northern European. They both have less genes from non - Northern European origin.
    Do you know how to see genetic distances with Global 25? I can help you

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    English have a lot of Anglo-Saxon ancestry but also have quite a bit of French ancestry which has pulled them further away from the Anglo-Saxons. The Irish have less of this French ancestry and are closer to the Bell Beakers so have more Steppe ancestry which makes them closer to Anglo-Saxons today than the English.

    Someone like Creoda will be able to explain this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by looney_tunes View Post
    Do you know how to see genetic distances with Global 25? I can help you
    Global25 isn't reliable for genetic distances of NW Europeans, let alone phenotypical distances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    English have a lot of Anglo-Saxon ancestry but also have quite a bit of French ancestry which has pulled them further away from the Anglo-Saxons. The Irish have less of this French ancestry and are closer to the Bell Beakers so have more Steppe ancestry which makes them closer to Anglo-Saxons today than the English.

    Someone like Creoda will be able to explain this.
    Basically if Anglo-Saxons were to visit modern England and Ireland they would find the Irish more similar to them lookswise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by looney_tunes View Post
    Basically if Anglo-Saxons were to visit modern England and Ireland they would find the Irish more similar to them lookswise.
    No because they have much less Anglo-Saxon ancestry than an English person does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    No because they have much less Anglo-Saxon ancestry than an English person does.
    How do you calculate phenotypical distance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by looney_tunes View Post
    How do you calculate phenotypical distance?
    I'm not really into anthropology. I don't find it very helpful and it is very subjective. The only thing I will say is that group pictures are fairly good if you want to differentiate ethnicities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by looney_tunes View Post
    Basically if Anglo-Saxons were to visit modern England and Ireland they would find the Irish more similar to them lookswise.
    No, Looney Tunes! This concerns only one genetical aspect not all, see. Remember the majority of the English and Lowland Scottish people still carry the «*Germanic Y-DNA*» which was passed on by their Germanic ancestors . It isn’t the case with the Irish who are almost exclusively Celtic when it comes to that topic. Phenotypically the English show more of a Germanic cast than the Irish and the other British as a whole, in fact, fair hair for example is highest in frequency in the historical Danelaw area of England. Although we can agree the English are more mixed than the Irish.

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