Phenotypically were Anglo-Saxons closer to the Irish than to the English?

[looney_tunes]

No, Looney Tunes! This concerns only one genetical aspect not all, see. Remember the majority of the English and Lowland Scottish people still carry the «*Germanic Y-DNA*» which was passed on by their Germanic ancestors . It isn’t the case with the Irish who are almost exclusively Celtic when it comes to that topic. Phenotypically the English show more of a Germanic cast than the Irish and the other British as a whole, in fact, fair hair for example is highest in frequency in the historical Danelaw area of England. Although we can agree the English are more mixed than the Irish.

Haplogroups are literally less than 1% of DNA, you should look at autosomal distance, Eurogenes K13 also shows that Anglo-Saxons are closer to the Irish than to the English

[Septentrion]

I'm not really into anthropology. I don't find it very helpful and it is very subjective. The only thing I will say is that group pictures are fairly good if you want to differentiate ethnicities.

Physical anthropology has its place. Genetics obviously go deeper, because it shows things we cannot see as well. Physical anthropology is helpful is different physical features in populations to an extent. This is why I like it.

[Septentrion]

How do you calculate phenotypical distance?

Don't confuse phenotype with genotype!

[Septentrion]

Haplogroups are literally less than 1% of DNA, you should look at autosomal distance, Eurogenes K13 also shows that Anglo-Saxons are closer to the Irish than to the English

That is also one aspect.

[fromjutt]

How do you calculate phenotypical distance?

you use craniometry averages to see whom looked like whom, i have plenty of them if you would like to see, but to ansewr your question, taking in regards the genetics of old anglo saxons and craniometry, both are closest to Norwegians or Scandinavian generally, so they would essentially look like what the old norweigans did

[fromjutt]

Haplogroups are literally less than 1% of DNA, you should look at autosomal distance, Eurogenes K13 also shows that Anglo-Saxons are closer to the Irish than to the English

okay, you forgot to put in scandanvian to see the distance between them and boom, they are genetically closest to scandanvians, so they looked like scandanvian people

[Septentrion]

Although the Irish don't descend from Anglo-Saxons, phenotypically were Anglo-Saxons closer to the Irish than to the English?

Global 25 results:

Distance to: England_Saxon
0.01553202 Irish
0.01815075 English

Distance to: England_Saxon.SG
0.01411547 Irish
0.01761217 English

Distance to: England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon
0.01643549 Irish
0.02001475 English

Distance to: England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon.SG
0.03036594 Irish
0.03383895 English

The principal Anglo - Saxon phenotype (North - West European type ) identified by various physical anthropologists (Shore, Coon, Cole, Biasutti)
Cephalic Index (c.i.) - Mesocephalic
Body build - Ectomorph to mesomorph
Facial features : narrower faced with more roundish features than the Tronder and more robust than the Hallstatt Nordid
Height - Tall
Nasal index (n.i.) - Hyperleptorrhine
Skin colour - pale
Hair form - straight to curly
Hair colour - often blonde (sometimes red or brown)
Eye colour - pure blue or light - mixed

Regions of Europe where this phenotype is most common:
1) England (especially the eastern parts)
2) The Netherlands (especially in the north, in Friesland)
3) Denmark (especially the western parts)
4) Germany (especially the northwestern parts)
5) France (especially the northern parts)
6) Ireland

[fromjutt]

The principal Anglo - Saxon phenotype (North - West European type ) identified by various physical anthropologists (Shore, Coon, Cole, Biasutti)
Cephalic Index (c.i.) - Mesocephalic
Body build - Ectomorph to mesomorph
Facial features : narrower faced with more roundish features than the Tronder and more robust than the Hallstatt Nordid
Height - Tall

Nasal index (n.i.) - Hyperleptorrhine

this is wrong, old saxons and generally people from warrior cultures had endomoprhic body builds, basically very large frames and thick wide wrists on average, proven by anthropometry, bone mineral density of bones of our ancestors were 50 times thicker than modern young men in america, especially comparing it to the generally muscular african americans who have the most dense bones on average, even comparing it to them, bones were 50 times denser

[Septentrion]

Do you know how to see genetic distances with Global 25? I can help you

No, thanks.
These are the genetic distances regarding certain ancient European groups :

Anglo-Saxons :

- Danes = 5.7
- Dutch = 5.7
- Scottish = 6.2
- Irish = 7.2
- English = 7.3
- Norwegians = 7.8
- Welsh = 7.9
- Germans = 8.0

Saxons :

- English = 4.1
- Welsh = 4.5
- North Dutch = 5.6
- Irish = 6.0
- Belgians = 6.3
- Scottish = 6.3
- Danes = 6.4
- Germans = 6.9
- North French = 8.2

Franks :

English = 2.8
Belgians = 3.6
West Germans = 4.3
South Dutch = 5.2
North Germans = 5.2
Welsh = 5.8
Scottish = 6.2
Irish = 6.4
North Dutch = 6.4
Norwegians = 7.0
Danes = 7.6
North French = 8.3

Iron Age Britons :

English = 4.0
Irish = 4.5
Welsh = 5.0
Germans = 5.2
Scottish = 5.7
Danes = 6.3
North Dutch = 6.4
Belgians = 7.0
North French = 7.7
Austrians = 9.8

[Septentrion]

this is wrong, old saxons and generally people from warrior cultures had endomoprhic body builds, basically very large frames and thick wide wrists on average, proven by anthropometry, bone mineral density of bones of our ancestors were 50 times thicker than modern young men in america, especially comparing it to the generally muscular african americans who have the most dense bones on average, even comparing it to them, bones were 50 times denser

It is not! This isn't comparing warriors only. What's wrong with you? Obviously Ancient warriors had to be pretty large as their fights were extremely physical. this has nothing to do with. The Anglo - Saxon type is heavier than the Hallstatt Nordid. many Scandinavians are of the Hallstatt Nordid, but they are not heavy - boned.