Communism...

[Gundwane]

While the world is constantly being reminded of the ‘evil Hitler/Verwoerd’ and others, the worst evildoers of them all – the communists, are totally ignored and who have been responsible for over 150-million deaths throughout the world through torture, executions and starvation ever since 1917, but nary a whimper can be heard. And the deaths still continue under despots like Mugabe and other African leaders, the late Samora Machel of Mocambique, Angostino Neto of Angola, countries like Ethopia, Eritrea, the Sudan, the Congo, etc, etc. And don’t forget our ‘dear’ friend, Fidel Castro of Cuba… Then, of course, we have our own precious bunch of rascals here – Mbeki, Mandela, Asmal, Blade Nzimandi, Jeremy Cronin, Ronnie Kasrils, et al – all faithful party members of this evil alliance. Let’s look a some figures and compare them with the highly-questionable 6-million jews under Hitler, but has been proven false by no less than Jews themselves, as well as the so-called ‘murders’ of these self-same communists by the security forces of the previous regime:

Soviet Union – nearly 100-million; China – 50,700000; Cambodia – 2 million; Vietnam – 1,700000; North Korea – 1,700000; Poland – 1,600000; Yugoslavia – 1,100000. Add to those figures those killed by communists in Afghanistan, Tibet, Cuba, every African country that was invaded by communists (Angola, Moçambique, Zimbabwe, Ethopia, Eritrea, Sierra Leone – not forgetting our own Heimat, the once prosperous and peaceful South Africa under Hendrik Verwoerd. Yes, those of us who were part of the population in his days will remember that jobs were plentiful – not only for whites, but blacks also had jobs; very few were unemployed – crime was at an all time low, our economy was sound and highly rated internationally, and, strange as it may sound to the younger generation, he was a much-respected man by everybody – including blacks! And the communists did not like this state of affairs – he had to go – he was also murdered by a communist - and be replaced by weaker leaders such as Vorster, who first sold out the Rhodesians, and his successors capitulated to communist demands.

Unfortunately I do not have the figures of those (black and white) killed and maimed by the so-called ‘heroes of the struggle’ to destabilise South Africa, but I have seen the horrors of their methods during the eighties – necklacings by young ‘comrades’ in the townships when they should have been in the classrooms getting an education; black on black violence incited by young ‘comrades’ against anyone opposed to their ideals; over 400 Inkatha leaders systematically murdered for the same reason; the senseless mowing down of (if I remember correctly) 29 Inkatha followers from the rooftop of Shell House in 1993 by order of Mandela who admitted having issued the order to kill them; the many limpet mines set off in schools, cafes and shopping centres, landmines on lonely roads, killing and maiming CIVILIANS consisting of men, women and children; the brutalities of the horror camps in Angola, Zambia and other places where ‘heroes of the struggle’ like Kasrils, Hani, Modise and others tortured, starved, terrorised and murdered the inmates who were alleged ‘informers’ – need I go on?

What have communists ever contributed to the upliftment and well-being of countries under their (mis)rule? Schools? Universities? Science? Technology? Agriculture? Social welfare? Communist-occupied countries are a shining example of the wars, poverty and misery resulting from the communist invaders’ ‘contribution’ to so-called ‘peace and freedom’ through the barrels of their AK47’s, generously supplied by aforesaid ‘heroes’. In conclusion, the present communist incumbents in parliament are well trained in lies, disinformation and terror by those masters of deception, the KGB. Their website is a shining example of brainwashing for those gullible masses who are uninformed enough to swallow their bait, hook line and sinker, but take off your rose-tinted spectacles and start doing your homework, then you might be very unpleasantly surprised at what skeletons you’ll start digging up

‘Heroes’ of the struggle, indeed!

And you expect right-thinking and intelligent white SAN’s to ‘apologise’ (for the umteenth time – I’ve already lost count), grovel, bow and scrape to these cruddy scum? I rest my case…

[Gundwane]

Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust

By Eric Margolis Contributing Foreign Editor From the Toronto Sun Archives

http://www.torontosun.com/

As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists who bayed for Pinochet's head don't want to be reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.

In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers - called kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine's growing spirit of nationalism.

Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow - earlier versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.

When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions.

But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death - mass starvation.

All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)

OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.

When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, reached the quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.

During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, as well as bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.

The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB's archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine's population was exterminated.

Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war dead.

Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.

The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent German occupation of Eastern Europe, the region's innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.

While the world is by now fully politicised with the destruction of Europe's Jews by the Germans, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler came to power, and was committed, before the world's eyes. But Stalin's murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Germans are guilty. Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not see one under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated Duranty's lies.

Modern leftists do not care to be reminded that their ideological and historical roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime - the inevitable result of enforced social engineering, Marxist theology and Stalin's execution.

Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called "Uncle Joe," murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler was accused of.

None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state pension.

[Tabiti]

As a person from a country severe suffered by communism I can tell you my wonder of seeing people still voting for them and believing they were better...This is what communism do - brainwashing to such degree, not to remember you are a human being with own rights.

[SwordoftheVistula]

As a person from a country severe suffered by communism I can tell you my wonder of seeing people still voting for them and believing they were better...This is what communism do - brainwashing to such degree, not to remember you are a human being with own rights.

Yeah, never been to Bulgaria, but I visited Romania and talked to some of the locals, the older people said the entire country was like a jail during communist times, one guy I was talking to had to build his own radio and hide in the closet to listen to the Beatles. The younger people complained that many people still had the 'communist mindset.'

[EWtt]

In many European countries you can get punished for denying the holocaust but often communist crimes remain unknown and are not talked about to such a degree, although millions of Europeans suffered for many decades. It was especially damaging to the otherwise successful and intelligent people who had the common sense to know that communism is a great atrocity.

Recently there was a documentary released concerning the subject of Soviet crimes, I think it is worth watching.

Trailer:
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The film itself:
Part 1: http://www.nuffi.ee/video/3u2LYVsM72s
Part 2:http://www.nuffi.ee/video/-4MS4v3blUY

[Tabiti]

Yeah, never been to Bulgaria, but I visited Romania and talked to some of the locals, the older people said the entire country was like a jail during communist times, one guy I was talking to had to build his own radio and hide in the closet to listen to the Beatles. The younger people complained that many people still had the 'communist mindset.'

Romania was ways worse than us, because at least we were not starving like them (the opposite, we had quite developed production back then). Not a surprise they executed their leader Cheushesku and his wife after the regime failure in 1989!
Forbidding you listening Beatles and wearing jeans (this was only in 50's and 60's) was the smallest problem. Communist forbid thinking and the consequences of that we see even today, unfortunately. Our country won't be any better until the last person lived under this regime dies.
Nowadays, we are rulled by our ex-leaders heirs, who only changed their colour...

[Maelstrom]

I don't want to troll this thread and I am by no means a Communist myself (haha!), but I would like to offer a somewhat plausible explanation:

It is very difficult to define what Communism actually is. How would you define it? The Communism of the USSR was nothing like the Communism of the CCP.

Just a thought

[Lulletje Rozewater]

While the world is constantly being reminded of the ‘evil Hitler/Verwoerd’ and others, the worst evildoers of them all – the communists, are totally ignored and who have been responsible for over 150-million deaths throughout the world through torture, executions and starvation ever since 1917, but nary a whimper can be heard. And the deaths still continue under despots like Mugabe and other African leaders, the late Samora Machel of Mocambique, Angostino Neto of Angola, countries like Ethopia, Eritrea, the Sudan, the Congo, etc, etc. And don’t forget our ‘dear’ friend, Fidel Castro of Cuba… Then, of course, we have our own precious bunch of rascals here – Mbeki, Mandela, Asmal, Blade Nzimandi, Jeremy Cronin, Ronnie Kasrils, et al – all faithful party members of this evil alliance. Let’s look a some figures and compare them with the highly-questionable 6-million jews under Hitler, but has been proven false by no less than Jews themselves, as well as the so-called ‘murders’ of these self-same communists by the security forces of the previous regime:

Soviet Union – nearly 100-million; China – 50,700000; Cambodia – 2 million; Vietnam – 1,700000; North Korea – 1,700000; Poland – 1,600000; Yugoslavia – 1,100000. Add to those figures those killed by communists in Afghanistan, Tibet, Cuba, every African country that was invaded by communists (Angola, Moçambique, Zimbabwe, Ethopia, Eritrea, Sierra Leone – not forgetting our own Heimat, the once prosperous and peaceful South Africa under Hendrik Verwoerd. Yes, those of us who were part of the population in his days will remember that jobs were plentiful – not only for whites, but blacks also had jobs; very few were unemployed – crime was at an all time low, our economy was sound and highly rated internationally, and, strange as it may sound to the younger generation, he was a much-respected man by everybody – including blacks! And the communists did not like this state of affairs – he had to go – he was also murdered by a communist - and be replaced by weaker leaders such as Vorster, who first sold out the Rhodesians, and his successors capitulated to communist demands.

Unfortunately I do not have the figures of those (black and white) killed and maimed by the so-called ‘heroes of the struggle’ to destabilise South Africa, but I have seen the horrors of their methods during the eighties – necklacings by young ‘comrades’ in the townships when they should have been in the classrooms getting an education; black on black violence incited by young ‘comrades’ against anyone opposed to their ideals; over 400 Inkatha leaders systematically murdered for the same reason; the senseless mowing down of (if I remember correctly) 29 Inkatha followers from the rooftop of Shell House in 1993 by order of Mandela who admitted having issued the order to kill them; the many limpet mines set off in schools, cafes and shopping centres, landmines on lonely roads, killing and maiming CIVILIANS consisting of men, women and children; the brutalities of the horror camps in Angola, Zambia and other places where ‘heroes of the struggle’ like Kasrils, Hani, Modise and others tortured, starved, terrorised and murdered the inmates who were alleged ‘informers’ – need I go on?

What have communists ever contributed to the upliftment and well-being of countries under their (mis)rule? Schools? Universities? Science? Technology? Agriculture? Social welfare? Communist-occupied countries are a shining example of the wars, poverty and misery resulting from the communist invaders’ ‘contribution’ to so-called ‘peace and freedom’ through the barrels of their AK47’s, generously supplied by aforesaid ‘heroes’. In conclusion, the present communist incumbents in parliament are well trained in lies, disinformation and terror by those masters of deception, the KGB. Their website is a shining example of brainwashing for those gullible masses who are uninformed enough to swallow their bait, hook line and sinker, but take off your rose-tinted spectacles and start doing your homework, then you might be very unpleasantly surprised at what skeletons you’ll start digging up

‘Heroes’ of the struggle, indeed!

And you expect right-thinking and intelligent white SAN’s to ‘apologise’ (for the umteenth time – I’ve already lost count), grovel, bow and scrape to these cruddy scum? I rest my case…

Black during a span of ten years 1980 to 1990 is 20.000 by their own comrades.
What about Slovo and McBride and Connie Braam and Klaas de Jonghe (both from the Netherlands, who to date still say:"And the struggle goes on"
Apologize,What is that.
I have a medallion around my neck, which has the inscription:
Never Forget
Never Forgive
Never Apologize
Think of the other jews who helped to destabilize SA.
Patta's husband "Levitas is one of them
Hobbelmann-once a personal friend of mine-did much to send me back to Holland.
Camp Quadro is Zuma's favorite.