How impressive is Russian history?

[Joe McCarthy]

Not well? Russia smashed Georgia's US-trained and supplied armies with only 10,000 men in less than 8 days. I think that is very telling of how strong Russia is today.

C'mon. You said it yourself: they were fighting friggin Georgia.

We beat up on Soviet trained Cuban troops in Grenada too. That was basically a weekend training exercise for our Special Forces.

[Thraex]

C'mon. You said it yourself: they were fighting friggin Georgia.

We beat up on Soviet trained Cuban troops in Grenada too. That was basically a weekend training exercise for our Special Forces.

I'd agree with you but Grenada is a tiny island with a tiny population and they managed to resist the US invasion forces for a few months. Georgia couldn't hold out for more than a week.

[somerled]

What???

Only if you believe in Hollywood movies.


The Western Front was a sideshow, the war was already all but over by the time the Western Front opened up. Before that the European countries respective Armies either collapsed within days or weeks or, in Britain's case, ran away as fast as boats could take them across the Channel.

> 70 - 75% of NS German casualties were on the EASTERN Front, sustained when they were at the peak of their powers. By the time they started taking hits in the West they were already broken.

The Allies (USA, UK Empire) then starved 100 000's (if not more) German POW's and Civilians to death as part of the Morgenthau Plan whilst many German POW's of the Soviets simply perished due to harsh conditions, lack of food and supplies etc.

Do you know the meaning of the word significant? It doesn't mean a majority it means a meaningful amount in the context of what we are discussing.

[Joe McCarthy]

I'd agree with you but Grenada is a tiny island with a tiny population and they managed to resist the US invasion forces for a few months. Georgia couldn't hold out for more than a week.

No, the actual fighting in Grenada lasted days and overthrew the Marxist regime. Russia was never close to conquering Georgia.

[RoyBatty]

Do you know the meaning of the word significant? It doesn't mean a majority it means a meaningful amount in the context of what we are discussing.

I don't consider it to be very significant. Germany was already broken. The Western Front was a mop-up operation.

"Significant" to me indicates an effort which actually played a "significant role" in the annihilation of the NS German War machine. Not easy late pickings.

[RoyBatty]

No, the actual fighting in Grenada lasted days and overthrew the Marxist regime. Russia was never close to conquering Georgia.

It was a skirmish to halt a Georgian offensive against South Ossetia and to remove the Georgian occupation of Abkhazian territory. Nothing more, nothing less.

Russia didn't intend to conduct a war against Georgia itself and if it did it would have crushed Georgia without breaking a sweat.

[Joe McCarthy]

The Allies had air superiority at that time as well, making German maneuvers on the ground more difficult. There was also a shortage of fuel.

Yes, we had air superiority. In other words, we were superior. That came from our intense effort to mass produce warplanes. The Nazi vermin were sprayed like cockroaches.

[Joe McCarthy]

I don't consider it to be very significant. Germany was already broken. The Western Front was a mop-up operation.

"Significant" to me indicates an effort which actually played a "significant role" in the annihilation of the NS German War machine. Not easy late pickings.

So then do you think the Soviet Union could have conquered Germany without a second front helping them to Germany's west? That's improbable to say the least. All of those German divisions would have been available to fight the Soviet advance and would have meant Nazi Germany would have survived the war.

[Grumpy Cat]

Russian history is very interesting. I would have loved to go! I almost went to Moscow for work, but I ended up catching H1N1 the day before my flight. However, I am now back with that bank as of Monday, so there is still another chance.

[Sarmatian]

So then do you think the Soviet Union could have conquered Germany without a second front helping them to Germany's west? That's improbable to say the least. All of those German divisions would have been available to fight the Soviet advance and would have meant Nazi Germany would have survived the war.

Hitler knew the war is lost when Churchill refused to ally with him after Germany's offensive in France.
Second front wasn't necessary. In June 1944 Soviets were successfully rolling Nazis away from Belarus and there was no chance for Nazis to turn back to offensive.
The only reason Allies opened 2nd front is to get a share of 'German pie'. Otherwise Soviets would take all of it and turn Europe into one big communist block.