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    Default Interesting developments of Middle English

    The Kentish Dialect:

    • Verb ending used in the present tense with plural forms (e.g.. we, they) was eth
    • Shall, should appeared without an h, h silent in many words - 'hall, 'hould
    • “D” was used for “th” (e.g. ‘By dis, dat, den, yew can tell de Kentish men' ) {To me this sounds much more similar to other Germanic languages than the modern use of "th". But I think this progression has happened in other Germanic tongues as well.}
    • D also dropped at the end of words
    • You was pronounced as ye, 'ee or yew {'ee also used in Northern England to this day}
    • W at the start of a word was often suppressed (‘ood for wood)
    • V was sometimes converted into w (wery for very)
    • Charles Dickens often used Kentish dialect words and the language of the Medway towns in his novels - 'Be wery careful o' vidders all your life'.


    Southern Dialect:

    • Spoken in the area west of Sussex and south and southwest of the Thames
    • Direct descendant of the West Saxon dialect of Old English
    • Conservative, shows little influence of other languages.
    • No Scandinavian influence
    • Only dialect that was more conservative was Kentish
    • His, here, hem were they their and them
    • Employed modern –ing participle ending


    East Midland Dialect:

    • One branch that developed from the OE Mercian dialect
    • Located south of the Humber and north of the Thames
    • Included the ‘triangle’ of Oxford, Cambridge, and London
    • As London gained importance, the East Midland dialect emerged as a literary standard and became the basis for Standardised Modern English
    • Employed they, their and them instead of his, here, and hem
    • Largely used the present tense plural verb ending –en, with a bit of –eth in the south - one example of where other English dialects won out over the East Midland dialect is the modern use of -ing instead of -en at the end of words. -en is retained in a few words such as "brethren" but most words use the -ing ending.


    West Midland Dialect:

    • The Western half of the OE Mercian dialect
    • Significant gradients of dialectical differences from North to South
    • Also used they, their and them
    • Mostly employed –ind(e) in place of the –ing participle ending
    • The –th verb inflection (as in "goeth" instead of "going") is evidenced


    Northern Dialect:

    • Spoken North of the Humber river
    • Descended from the Northumbrian dialect of OE
    • Evolved most rapidly, largely due to heavy Scandinavian influence
    • The –ing participle ending appears as –and(e)
    • The –th inflection appears as –s
    • A few words, such as shall and should, could occur without an h


    Northern example:

    Note: Ž = is basically "th".

    1. Lauerd me steres, noght wante sal me: In stede of fode žare me louked he.
    2. He fed me ouer watre ofe fode, Mi saule he tornes in to gode.
    3. He led me ouer sties of rightwisenes, For his name, swa hali es.
    4. For, and ife .I. ga in mid schadw ofe dede, For žou wiž me erte iuel sal .i. noght drede;
    5. Ži yherde, and ži stafe ofe mighte, Žai ere me roned dai and nighte.
    6. Žou graižed in mi sighte borde to be, Ogaines žas žat droued me;
    7. Žou fatted in oli me heued yhite; And mi drinke dronkenand while schire es ite!
    8. And filigh me sal ži mercy, Alle daies ofe mi life for-ži;
    9. And žat .I. wone in hous ofe lauerd isse, In lengže of daies al wiž blisse.
    Personally I'd say my understanding of that is around 70 to 80%, I don't usually read archaic English.

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    Lauerd me steres, noght wante sal me: In stede of fode žare me louked he.
    He fed me ouer watre ofe fode, Mi saule he tornes in to gode.
    He led me ouer sties of rightwisenes, For his name, swa hali es.
    For, and ife .I. ga in mid schadw ofe dede, For žou wiž me erte iuel sal .i. noght drede;
    Ži yherde, and ži stafe ofe mighte, Žai ere me roned dai and nighte.
    Žou graižed in mi sighte borde to be, Ogaines žas žat droued me;
    Žou fatted in oli me heued yhite; And mi drinke dronkenand while schire es ite!
    And filigh me sal ži mercy, Alle daies ofe mi life for-ži;
    And žat .I. wone in hous ofe lauerd isse, In lengže of daies al wiž blisse.
    It's playing hell with my OCD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    Northern Dialect:[*]A few words, such as shall and should, could occur without an h
    I don't follow this one. What's that about?

    Northern example:
    Lauerd me steres, noght wante sal me: In stede of fode žare me louked he.
    He fed me ouer watre ofe fode, Mi saule he tornes in to gode.
    He led me ouer sties of rightwisenes, For his name, swa hali es.
    For, and ife .I. ga in mid schadw ofe dede, For žou wiž me erte iuel sal .i. noght drede;
    Ži yherde, and ži stafe ofe mighte, Žai ere me roned dai and nighte.
    Žou graižed in mi sighte borde to be, Ogaines žas žat droued me;
    Žou fatted in oli me heued yhite; And mi drinke dronkenand while schire es ite!
    And filigh me sal ži mercy, Alle daies ofe mi life for-ži;
    And žat .I. wone in hous ofe lauerd isse, In lengže of daies al wiž blisse.
    The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
    He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
    He leadeth me beside the still waters.
    He restoreth my soul:
    He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name' sake.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
    I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
    Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.
    Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies;
    Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over.

    Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life,
    and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.

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    The Northern Dialect can still be a bit difficult to understand, unless use to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan View Post
    The Northern Dialect can still be a bit difficult to understand, unless use to it.
    = not English.

    Actual English people would say "unless you are used to it".

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    I don't follow this one. What's that about?
    I read that the 'h' was dropped from words such as "should", I suppose making "should" sound more like "sud". But I don't know, I wasn't there at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan View Post
    The Northern Dialect can still be a bit difficult to understand, unless use to it.
    Which one? I can understand most modern dialects of northern English without any problem. The only ones I have trouble with is Scouse or Billinge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post
    = not English.

    Actual English people would say "unless you are used to it".
    I don't know, you could just add a 'd' onto 'use' to make "unless used to it".

    It sounds fine in my Cheshire bastardised English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    I don't know, you could just add a 'd' onto 'use' to make "unless used to it".

    It sounds fine in my Cheshire bastardised English.
    Sure, but there was no D. I don't know what exactly Logan's English has been bastardised with, but he makes bizarre efforts to avoid using a subject noun or pronoun in many of his 'sentences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treffie View Post
    Which one? I can understand most modern dialects of northern English without any problem. The only ones I have trouble with is Scouse or Billinge.

    [YOUTUBE]S8MwOUTOVuo[/YOUTUBE]
    I understand bits of it, probably Pan-Northern vocabulary. I followed some of it but a lot of it was completely blank. Very distinct.
    It's tougher than Scots and that's supposed to be a language and Billinge a dialect?!

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