Racial Make up of Gypsies

[Mortimer]

I sampled somed Information about Gypsies in this thread.

Eugene Pittard did the biggest anthropometric survey on balkan gypsies ever done....He was fascinated by them and placed them high in human aesthetics

"The typical Gypsy Population was slightly taller than the European Average with legs comparatively long in relation to the torso; their heads tended strongly towards dolicephalic (i.e long headed, relatively long and narrow) skulls, with black hair smallish ears, wide eyes with heavily pigmented irises and long, narrow, straight noses. Pittard awarded them a highly honourable place in human aesthetics. Very fine men and very beautiful women are often found among them. Their swarthy complexion, jet black hair, straight well-formed nose, white teeth, dark brown wide open eyes, the general suppleness of their deportment and the harmony of their movements place them high above many European people as regards physical beauty."

A good description of the Gypsies of Bosnia is given by Tissot who says: Their complexion is as brown as old leather. They have keen black eyes and oval faces and their long curly hair falls in masses of their long shoulders, their figures are athletic and muscular. They lead an vagabond and wandering life, braving carelessly the inclenerncy of the seasons under their tents of ragged cloth and too often excersising the calling of brigands and thieves. I must tell you that Bosnian Gypsy Woman are of a rare beauty and know how to make the most of their charms. As dancing woman and ballet-girls they enter the harems distracting the hearts of the beys and pashas and they are often met in public places dancing in picturescque costums on a piece of carpet. The Tziganes were for long the only people who worked the rich mines of Bosnia but they contended themselfes with dragging a fleece of wool in the bed of the torrents and picking out the spangles of gold which in some streams are found in abundance.


Dr. A.E. Mourant,'The ABO Blood Groups',Blackwell Scientific Publications,Oxford,1954.

"
Roma(of Europe) : O – 31.0, A –26.2 , B –33.9, AB-8.9

Indian warrior castes

Sikh soldiers: O-32.36,A-22.28,B-34.63,AB-10.73

Hindus(soldiers) in Rajasthan: O-33.33,A-21.26,B-35.14,Ab-9.91

Rajputs(near Quetta): O-28.81,A-27.97,B-33.05,AB-10.71
(Malone 1928-29)

Jats(Punjab): O -33.21,A-25.25,B-33.30,AB-11.11 "

A.E. Mourant,”Warrior castes of Rajasthan,Delhi and the Punjab as also the Roma are good representatives of the Indian Mediterranean race and are macroskels.It means that they have legs,a bit longer than the trunk.All of them have straight and thin noses,oval,well-bred faces.The Rajputs are dolycephals as are the majority of the European Roma.Rajput average stature is about 1 inch. higher than the Roma.This difference is almost certainly explained by the fact that Rajputs have better life than the persecuted gypsies of Europe.”

The ABO blood groups (Open Library)

An international collaboration led by Dr Manir Ali of the Leeds Institute of Molecular Medicine, first identified the 'Jatt' mutation in one of four Pakistani families. Further study amongst Roma populations in Europe showed that the same mutation accounted for nearly half of all cases of PCG in that community. Dr Ali's research also confirms the widely accepted view that the Roma originated from the Jatt clan of Northern India and Pakistan and not from Eastern Europe as previously believed.
New Glaucoma Research Solves Anthropological And Medical Puzzle

The subcontinental region showing higher probability of being the source of Roma sequences was North-western India (0.72), followed by Eastern India (0.20) while the rest of the subcontinental regions accounted only for 8% of the probability. When the analysis was performed at state level, results pointed at Punjab state (in North-Western India) as the most probable candidate to be the ancestral homeland of the Roma mtDNA types (probability = 0.54).

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0015988

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[morski]

[Mortimer]

thats fake pictures

[morski]

What makes you think that? Those are the Bulgarian gypos. Like it or not...

[Germanicus]

You come across these people in many countries; they do not have a national territory or their own government. Legends describe their arrival from Egypt, but these are only fairytales. Ignorant people in the west associate their origin with Eastern Europe, like Hungary and Romania. That's false, even if indeed large gypsy populations are to be found there (in Bulgaria they represent 15 % of the population, 10 % in Hungary and 7 % in Romania). Gypsies (or Romani, as they call themselves, the Gypsy word for "men") originated in northern India 1,000 years ago. Their language, called Romani, is undoubtedly related to Hindu and other Indian languages (named Indo-Aryan). Nobody knows why they left India. Some say that their ancestors, artisans and artists, accompanied troops and after some military conflicts left India. By 1,300 AD they reached Europe, after passing through Persia and Turkey.

In Spain, they are called gitanos, in Germany zigeuner, in Hungary cigany, in Romania tigani, in France gitanes, and many consider these terms as pejorative, but in fact this is the only way people can identify them; Romani is a new term. Moreover, in Romania, confusion between this word and Romania/Romanian (coming from Rome, Roman) can be easily created.

It is worth mentioning that gypsies 'lost' their language in western Europe. The Calo spoken by Spanish gypsies is just a modified variant of the Spanish language.

Their image has always been controversial in the eyes of the Europeans: in some novels and movies they are depicted as extremely hospitable, careless, nomadic beings, animating sadness or happiness through singing and dancing. The other image is that of unadapted, dirty, untrustworthy people.

During Middle Ages, the universe of most Europeans was limited to their village or town. When gypsies arrived, they were strangers for them, with their dark skin, black eyes and hair, clothing, habits and language. Moreover, gypsies remained isolated, a habit probably inherited from the caste system of India. But curiosity would be replaced by lack of trust within a few decades...

Gypsies were marginalized, forced to make their camps outside the villages and they were not allowed to enter the villages not even for buying stores or taking water. They were known as child eaters and forced by law to cook in the open, so that anybody could see what they were cooking. That's why in many cases their food for a day was overturned. No wonder that in many cases gypsies started stealing in order to survive.

Facing discrimination made gypsies united and they focused more on family life. The relationship between children and their parents is extremely strong in gypsy communities.

In their nomadic life, gypsies turned to skilled blacksmiths and traders, but also talented artists, while many women pretend having supernatural powers to make a living. Their lifestyle also impeded too much cultural connections with those who were not gypsies (called gadje in Rromani or pallo in Calo, the Gypsy Spanish variant). Still, gypsies adopted the religion of the majority in their area. In Europe, they are Christians, whilst in the Middle East gypsies, called Dom, are Muslims.

In time, prejudices led to persecutions. Gypsies were expelled from some European countries (like Switzerland) while in other zones they were taken as slaves for centuries. Gypsy slavery was abolished in 1860 and many moved to Western Europe and Americas. Hitler managed to exterminate in his camps about 400,000 gypsies.

In Spain, the syncretism between the gypsy culture and the local one gave birth to flamenco music and dance, while in eastern Europe, they adapted the local folk music to their own style, and thus the famous "lautari" music from Romania and surrounding areas resulted, a musical genre that inspired Beethoven, Brahms, Dvorak, Haydn, Liszt, Mozart, Rahmaninov, Ravel, or Rossini.

You may not know, but here is a list of famous people with gypsy blood: Charlie Chaplin, Yul Brynner (actor), Rita Hayworth (actress), Pablo Picasso (painter), Django Reinhardt (jazz musician).

Today there may be even 5 million gypsies, most of them living in Europe. Very few are still nomads and many got rich, but in many areas, gypsies are still the lowest part of the society. Communism in eastern Europe changed and improved their life and health conditions; still it could not eliminate the prejudices of the gadje. The fall of the communism in 1990 only made worse their socio-economic life.

[Minesweeper]

We have a winner!

[morski]

You come across these people in many countries; they do not have a national territory or their own government. Legends describe their arrival from Egypt, but these are only fairytales. Ignorant people in the west associate their origin with Eastern Europe, like Hungary and Romania. That's false, even if indeed large gypsy populations are to be found there (in Bulgaria they represent 15 % of the population, 10 % in Hungary and 7 % in Romania). Gypsies (or Romani, as they call themselves, the Gypsy word for "men") originated in northern India 1,000 years ago. Their language, called Romani, is undoubtedly related to Hindu and other Indian languages (named Indo-Aryan). Nobody knows why they left India. Some say that their ancestors, artisans and artists, accompanied troops and after some military conflicts left India. By 1,300 AD they reached Europe, after passing through Persia and Turkey.

In Spain, they are called gitanos, in Germany zigeuner, in Hungary cigany, in Romania tigani, in France gitanes, and many consider these terms as pejorative, but in fact this is the only way people can identify them; Romani is a new term. Moreover, in Romania, confusion between this word and Romania/Romanian (coming from Rome, Roman) can be easily created.

It is worth mentioning that gypsies 'lost' their language in western Europe. The Calo spoken by Spanish gypsies is just a modified variant of the Spanish language.

Their image has always been controversial in the eyes of the Europeans: in some novels and movies they are depicted as extremely hospitable, careless, nomadic beings, animating sadness or happiness through singing and dancing. The other image is that of unadapted, dirty, untrustworthy people.

During Middle Ages, the universe of most Europeans was limited to their village or town. When gypsies arrived, they were strangers for them, with their dark skin, black eyes and hair, clothing, habits and language. Moreover, gypsies remained isolated, a habit probably inherited from the caste system of India. But curiosity would be replaced by lack of trust within a few decades...

Gypsies were marginalized, forced to make their camps outside the villages and they were not allowed to enter the villages not even for buying stores or taking water. They were known as child eaters and forced by law to cook in the open, so that anybody could see what they were cooking. That's why in many cases their food for a day was overturned. No wonder that in many cases gypsies started stealing in order to survive.

Facing discrimination made gypsies united and they focused more on family life. The relationship between children and their parents is extremely strong in gypsy communities.

In their nomadic life, gypsies turned to skilled blacksmiths and traders, but also talented artists, while many women pretend having supernatural powers to make a living. Their lifestyle also impeded too much cultural connections with those who were not gypsies (called gadje in Rromani or pallo in Calo, the Gypsy Spanish variant). Still, gypsies adopted the religion of the majority in their area. In Europe, they are Christians, whilst in the Middle East gypsies, called Dom, are Muslims.

In time, prejudices led to persecutions. Gypsies were expelled from some European countries (like Switzerland) while in other zones they were taken as slaves for centuries. Gypsy slavery was abolished in 1860 and many moved to Western Europe and Americas. Hitler managed to exterminate in his camps about 400,000 gypsies.

In Spain, the syncretism between the gypsy culture and the local one gave birth to flamenco music and dance, while in eastern Europe, they adapted the local folk music to their own style, and thus the famous "lautari" music from Romania and surrounding areas resulted, a musical genre that inspired Beethoven, Brahms, Dvorak, Haydn, Liszt, Mozart, Rahmaninov, Ravel, or Rossini.

You may not know, but here is a list of famous people with gypsy blood: Charlie Chaplin, Yul Brynner (actor), Rita Hayworth (actress), Pablo Picasso (painter), Django Reinhardt (jazz musician).

Today there may be even 5 million gypsies, most of them living in Europe. Very few are still nomads and many got rich, but in many areas, gypsies are still the lowest part of the society. Communism in eastern Europe changed and improved their life and health conditions; still it could not eliminate the prejudices of the gadje. The fall of the communism in 1990 only made worse their socio-economic life.

That's bollocks. According to the census from last year gypos in Bulgaria number 325,343 and are 4.9% of the total.

[hajduk]

Why did you post anothers member photo ( feurfrei) they could ban you for that

[Saruman]

We have a winner!

Nope, this Gypsy Orcoid from Serbia (I think) beats him!

[Mortimer]

That's bollocks. According to the census from last year gypos in Bulgaria number 325,343 and are 4.9% of the total.

Many Gypsies name themselfes as Bulgarian but they are not. Tanja Savic denies that she is Gypsy but everyone knows she is.