The Ancient Greeks - How they looked like?

[AFC_Lad]

What about Greece under Ottoman occupation? There had to be some mixing going on during that time.

They were probably darker on the islands. Ancient Greece was probably a mix of various caucasian groups. Some olive skin, others lighter in tone. Didn't the ancestors of the Dorians come from the north? I have this stereotype that people of lighter skin tone, tall and with some blondish were warlike. I suspect the Spartans were descended from them, while the olive skinned people were more cultured. I think that mix is what made ancient Greece so great.

I think otherwise really, Sparta was located at the very south of greece, the most warlike aspect of the greeks were those who were olive skinned, i reckon it was in athens where you had the blonde, blue haired thinkers. On Greek pottery time and time again, it really does appear that the warriors were majority mediterranean looking, whilst the gods were depicted more like western europeans if you like. will add more tomorrow, need to snooze.

[StonyArabia]

Similar to their modern day descendants, things have changed very little since then. The Ottomans themselves were Anatolians who are not much different than the Greeks per se, but they did have some Turkic blood, and mixing was not common, as religion served as barrier and those who ended up being mixed or assimilated by the Ottomans often brought gene flow to the Turks rather.

[Kanuni]

I would bet that today's Greeks if anything are lighter than the ancients due to more Slavic admixture and other Balkan influences. The purest Greeks are probably the islanders, like people from Rhodes, Chios, and whatnot.

We consider the Southernmost Slavs Macedonians/MontenengrinSerbs/Bulgarians with very minor Slavic admixture, if they are so how can Greeks have Slavic admixture at the same amount as Balkan Slavs LOL.

[Mortimer]

I think otherwise really, Sparta was located at the very south of greece, the most warlike aspect of the greeks were those who were olive skinned, i reckon it was in athens where you had the blonde, blue haired thinkers. On Greek pottery time and time again, it really does appear that the warriors were majority mediterranean looking, whilst the gods were depicted more like western europeans if you like. will add more tomorrow, need to snooze.

the gods were not depicted like northern or western europeans (not all anyways). only if you consider this as western european.

Date: ca 470 - 460 BC
Period: Late Archaic


ZEUS was the king of the gods, the god of sky and weather, law, order and fate. He was depicted as a regal man, mature with sturdy figure and dark beard. His usual attributes were a lightning bolt, royal sceptre and eagle.

[Libertas]

Agreed.
Some people should read up on the Dienekes Pontikos Blog's comparison of ancient and modern Greeks.

[Mortimer]

Orphic Hymn 57 to Chthonian Hermes (trans. Taylor) (Greek hymns C3rd B.C. to 2nd A.D.) :
"Celestial Aphrodite, Paphian queen, dark-eyelashed Goddess, of a lovely mien."

[Pyramidologist]

Orphic Hymn 57 to Chthonian Hermes (trans. Taylor) (Greek hymns C3rd B.C. to 2nd A.D.) :
"Celestial Aphrodite, Paphian queen, dark-eyelashed Goddess, of a lovely mien."

She is described as blonde in earlier sources such as Homer.

Seems to me that you have a leukophobic agenda in a sad attempt to remove white blondes from classical sources or myth (i noticed you try the same in the Indian thread).

[Mortimer]

She is described as blonde in earlier sources such as Homer.

Seems to me that you have a leukophobic agenda in a sad attempt to remove white blondes from classical sources or myth (i noticed you try the same in the Indian thread).

interesting. can you provide the quote where is she is described as blonde? and whats leukophobic?

[Pyramidologist]

interesting. can you provide the quote where is she is described as blonde? and whats leukophobic?

I have compiled the largest collection on the web of classical sources for blonde or red haired Greek (or Roman) deities (see below for Aphrodite). These were originally posted on my blog, just search on google for ''fair haired Aryan Gods'' however i'll copy here -

Blonde Haired Gods and Figures
Xanthos or xanthe (ξανθός) or canqh or khrysokomes or flavus (blonde, golden, yellow, fair haired etc).

Achilles (Hom. Il. i. 197, xxiii.141).
Agamede (Hom. Il. 11. 740).
Agamemnon (Dares Phrygius. 13).
Ariadne (Catull. 64)
Atalanta (Ael. VH. xiii. 1).
Athena (Hom. Il. vi. 92, 274, 303; Pind. Nem. x. 7; Ov. Am. i. 1. 5; Ov. Met. 8. 260 ff; Ov. Fasti. vi. 652).
Apollo (Bacchyl. Ep. iv; Pind. Ol. vi. 41; Isthm. xii. 49; Ap. Rhod. Argon. ii. 674 ff; Sappho. fragment 44a, Diodorus. vii. 12. 6 quoting Tyrtaeus. iv; Eur. IT. 1236; Eur. Supp. 975; Aristoph. Birds. 219; Aristot. Rh. iii. 8; Plut. De E. 21; Macrob. Sat. i. 17. 47; Philostr. imag. 14; Ion. FGrHist 392F6).
Aphrodite (Collothus. Rape of Helen. 82; Claud. Ep Hon. 228; Homeric Hymn 5 to Aphrodite. 91; Hom. Od. viii. 342; xvii. 37; Hom. Il. xix. 283; Valerius Flaccus, Arg. viii. 237).
Artemis (Eur. Phoen. 192; Stat. Theb. ii. 238).
Boreades (Ov. Met. vi. 675 ff).
Briseis (Hom. Il. ii. 689; Bacchyl. Ep. xiii. 135; Dares Phrygius. 13).
Calypso (Hom. Od. xii. 389).
Castor (Dares Phrygius. 12).
Cyllarus (Ov. Met. xii. 393 ff).
Demeter (Hom. Il. v. 500; Ov. Met. vi. 118; Ov. Fast. iv. 417; Homeric Hymn 2 to Demeter. 302).
Dionysus (Eur. Bacch. 215 ff; Eur. Cyc. 75; Seneca. Oedipus. 420; Hes. Theog. 947).
Enyo (Sil. Pun. v. 220).
Eros (Anacreon. fragment 358; Eur. IA. 554).
Ganymedes (Homeric Hymn V. To Aphrodite. 202; Hor. Carm. iv. 4).
Harmonia (Eur. Med, 834).
Helen (Hom. Il. iii. 229; vii. 355; viii. 83; ix. 339, 369, 505; Eur. Hel. 1224; Eur. IA, 677; Sappho, Supp. xiii. 5; Sappho, fragment. 13. 15 (Diehl); Aeschin. In Tim. 1149; Dares Phrygius. 12).
Helios (Homeric Hymn 31 to Helios, 1 ff).
Hera (Hom. Il. x. 5; Bacchyl. Ep. xi. 50).
Herakles (Eur. Her. 234, 360 ff).
Hermes (Apul. Met. x. 30 ff; Verg. A. iv. 559).
Herminius (Verg. A. xi. 642).
Hippolytus’ servant (Eur. Hipp. 84).
Hylas (Theoc. Id. xiii. 36).
Ianthe (Ov. Met. ix. 666 ff).
Iolë (Strabo. xiv. 1. 18; Callim. Epigr. 55).
Iphigenia (Eur. IT. 174).
Lavinia (Verg. A. xii. 593)
Leto (Hom. Il. i. 35; xix. 413; Hom. Od. xi. 319; Orphic Hymn 0 to Musaeus; Pind. Nem. 37).
Lycorias (Verg. G. iv. 337).
Medea (Ap. Rhod. Argon. iii. 829).
Medusa (Ov. Met. iv. 1181 ff).
Meleager (Hom. Il. ii. 643).
Megara's children (Eur. Her. 992).
Menelaus (Eur. IA. 175; Hom. Il. ii. 284; iii. 434; v. 183; x. 240; xi. 125; xvi. 6; xvii. 124, 578, 674; xxiii. 293, 401, 437; Hom. Od. i. 280; iii. 168, 256, 325; iv. 30, 59, 147, 203, 265, 333; xv. 110; 148; Hes. Cat. i. 67; Tatian's Address to the Greeks, 10; Dares Phrygius. 13).
Niobe (Hom. Il. xiv. 604).
Orestes (Eur. El. 515).
Pallas (Bacchyl. Ep. v. 91).
Parthenopeus (Eur. Phoen. 1159).
Perimede (Theoc. Id. ii. 10 ff).
Persephone (Verg. A. iv. 699).
Phyllis (Hor. Carm. ii. 4).
Pollux (Dares Phrygius. 12).
Polyxena (Dares Phrygius. 12).
Polynices (Athenaeus. xi. 465 E. fragment 2).
Pterelaus (Apollod. Bibl. ii. 4. 5).
Rhadamanthus (Hom. Od. iv. 564; vii. 323; Strabo. iii. 2. 13).
Theseus (Catull. 64).
Thetis (Hom. Il. iv. 513; xiv. 467).
Zephyrus (Alcaeus. fragment 327).
Zeus (Dioscorides. Medica. iv. 55).

I have a detailed essay on my blog of racial types in Homer's Iliad and Odyssey.

Fair haired Aryan Gods, heroes & figures in the Iliad and Odyssey

My tables (with Il and Od references) -





I've also covered eye colour -

Blue, Gray or Light Eyed Gods and Figures
γλαυκῶπις/Glaukopis/Glaukos/Glauci (gray or blue eyed).
Latin: Caelia/Caesii/Caesius (blue or blue-grayish eyed). [1]

Aeneas (Malalas, Chronogr. 5).
Andromache (Dares Phrygius. 12).
Aphrodite (Collothus. Rape of Helen. 132).
Apollo (Philostr. Imag. 14).
Athena (Paus. i. 14. 6; Cic. Nat. D. i. 83; Lucr. iv. 1161; Hes. Sh. 343, 471; Hes. Theog. 14, 573, 586, 889, 924; Eur. Her. 754; Collothus. Rape of Helen. 132; Soph. OC. 705; Pind. Nem. vii. 95; x. 7; Homeric Hymn 20 to Hephaestus. 2; Homeric Hymn 5 to Aphrodite. 8, 94; Hom. Od. i. 180; 364; ii. 383; v. 437; Hom. Il. i.92; ii.166; Ant. Lib. Met. 15).
Amphitrite (Paus. x. 37. 6; Orphic Hymn 31 to Athena).
Charites (Ibycus. fragment 288).
Eos (Ap. Rhod. Argon. 1. 519 ff).
Glaucopus (Steph. Byz). [2]
Helen (Quintus Smyrnaeus, xiv. 140; Eur. Hec. 443).
Hera (Collothus. Rape of Helen. 132).
Herakles (Paus, ix. 34. 5; Clem. Al. Protr. ii. 30. 7). [3]
Hygeia (Licymnius. fragment 769).
Muses (Hymn 33 to the Dioscuri. 1).
Odysseus (Hom. Od. i. 209; xiii 396 ff).
Patroclus (Dares Phrygius. 13).
Poseidon (Paus. i. 14. 6; Cic. Nat. D. i. 83).
Triton (Paus. ix. 21. 1).
Pallas (Arist. Thesm. 317).
Nymphs (Anacreon. fragment 35; Orphic Hymn 55 to Aphrodite).
Tethys (Orphic Hymn 21 to Tethys).
Zeus (Hom. Il. xiv. 236). [4]

[Ushtari]

lol no