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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyramidologist View Post
    The Scottish are predominantly Pictish. The Norse genetic impact was minimal. The Goidelic and Brythonic Celtic languages were imposed onto the Picts from later arriving Celtic speakers from the south (Hen Ogledd) and west (Ireland), however these Celtic speakers were in fact not IE Celtic, but Iberian (who had Celtic imposed onto them) and dark haired, of the swarthy Mediterranoid type, just like the Picts. This is why today, Scotland is mostly dark haired and blondism is the minority.

    About the Scythians, there are many legends about Scythians all across Europe. There is evidence of a Scythian/Sarmatian mercenary (horseman) settlement in Scotland, only very small though. Most likely these legends derived from the Sarmatians.

    ''In 175 AD the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius concluded a treaty with the Sarmatian tribe of the Iazyges (gsl. name from ‘iazik’: language, people, people speaking the same or his own language) by virtue of which 5500 Iazyges cavalrymen were sent to the northern border of Great Britain in groups of 500, because of the difficulties in that region.''

    http://www.korenine.si/zborniki/zbor...v_newton07.pdf

    Some scholars propose the Newton Stone script is Scythic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_Stone
    The Picts were not swarthy Mediterranean types and the evidence points to their native language being Brythonic Celtic. The kingdoms of the Hen Ogledd never extended beyond the Forth/Clyde line and so never dominated the Northern Picts and it is likely that many of these Hen Ogledd kingdoms were native continuations of the old southern Pictish kingdoms.
    The latest Autosomal Genetic distance studies show the Scots (and the British in general) are of Northern European stock and most closely related to the Dutch/Belgians.
    In this study the Scots actually overlap the Dutch sample and are quite distant from Iberian populations such as Spain and Portugal.
    http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/08/gen...rope-again.php
    The Romans described them as thus (Quoted from Wiki)
    Tacitus in his Agricola, chapter XI (c. 98 AD) described the Caledonians as red haired and large limbed, which he considered features of Germanic origin: “The reddish (rutilae) hair and large limbs of the Caledonians proclaim a German origin”. Jordanes in his Getica wrote something similar
    :...The inhabitants of Caledonia have reddish hair and large loose-jointed bodies.[4]
    Eumenius, the panegyrist of Constantine Chlorus, wrote that both the Picts and Caledonians were red haired (rutilantia).

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    Diverse people of a particular Keltic culture.

    http://www.ourfamilyorigins.com/scotland/dna.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyramidologist View Post
    however these Celtic speakers were in fact not IE Celtic, but Iberian (who had Celtic imposed onto them) and dark haired, of the swarthy Mediterranoid type, just like the Picts.
    Swarthy britons have nothing to do with iberians. They are swarthy on their own account or for some other reason. Thank god for genetics for putting an end at those stupid theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyramidologist View Post
    There is evidence of a Scythian/Sarmatian mercenary (horseman) settlement in Scotland, only very small though. Most likely these legends derived from the Sarmatians.
    Oh aye? What settlement is this, then?

    The Sarmatians were stationed in Ribchester, in Lancashire not far from where my Great Great Grandad was born. Bow down to your Aryan superior!
    ''In 175 AD the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius concluded a treaty with the Sarmatian tribe of the Iazyges (gsl. name from ‘iazik’: language, people, people speaking the same or his own language)
    I aadvise you to take the material from any Eastern European website with a MASSIVE pinch of salt.

    Yazyk is Russian for 'tongue', and yazychniki are 'pagans. The other Slavonic languages have similar words. However, in the time of Marcus Aurelius, the root word in question sounded a bit different; *językъ, from Proto-Indo-European *dn̥ǵʰwéh₂s, from which we get our own 'tongue'.

    Curiously, Russian wiki says this;
    По мнению исследователя Олега Гуцуляка, от зафиксированного европейскими письменными источниками слова «языг» / осетинского (сарматского) слова «гыццыл» — «малый, младший» происходит название гуцулы.

    According to the researcher Oleg Gutsulyak, the ethnonym of the Hutsuls comes from the word attested as 'iazyg' in European written sources cognate with the Osset (Sarmatian) word 'gytstsyl' - 'little, younger'
    Some scholars propose the Newton Stone script is Scythic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_Stone
    Eee, frankly, God help anyone at having a go at THAT old thing!


    Every kook under the sun has his own ideas;





    As for the ogham, your guess is as good as mine;

    AIDDARCUNFEANFORRENNNEAI (or R) (S)IOSSAR






    You know... I know piss all about Oriental scripts, but it DOES look a bit like some sort of Syriac, just from a worthless subjective superficial impression!

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    Quote Originally Posted by somerled View Post
    The Picts were not swarthy Mediterranean types and the evidence points to their native language being Brythonic Celtic. The kingdoms of the Hen Ogledd never extended beyond the Forth/Clyde line and so never dominated the Northern Picts and it is likely that many of these Hen Ogledd kingdoms were native continuations of the old southern Pictish kingdoms.
    The latest Autosomal Genetic distance studies show the Scots (and the British in general) are of Northern European stock and most closely related to the Dutch/Belgians.
    In this study the Scots actually overlap the Dutch sample and are quite distant from Iberian populations such as Spain and Portugal.
    http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/08/gen...rope-again.php
    The Romans described them as thus (Quoted from Wiki)
    Tacitus in his Agricola, chapter XI (c. 98 AD) described the Caledonians as red haired and large limbed, which he considered features of Germanic origin: “The reddish (rutilae) hair and large limbs of the Caledonians proclaim a German origin”. Jordanes in his Getica wrote something similar
    :...The inhabitants of Caledonia have reddish hair and large loose-jointed bodies.[4]
    Eumenius, the panegyrist of Constantine Chlorus, wrote that both the Picts and Caledonians were red haired (rutilantia).
    From some of the sources I've read, Picts were seen as red headed, fair skinned people. That seems to be a general fact about them.

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    many of the people on sites like this have an agenda to "germanisize" the Scots, so I would take their opinions with a grain of salt.

    I would recommend seeking out some scholarly books on the subject

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    The tribe called Scotti who settled Scotland are Celts, but Scotland and Scots today are not Celtic.
    Celticity is cultural and the Scots still maintain a Celtic culture to a significant degree, including language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hess View Post
    many of the people on sites like this have an agenda to "germanisize" the Scots, so I would take their opinions with a grain of salt.

    I would recommend seeking out some scholarly books on the subject
    They're opinions with sound support from the evidence to date.
    On the other hand you've provided absolutely no evidence to back your opinion.
    If you dispute these facts then at least have the good grace to do so rather throw around unsupported accusations of hidden agendas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthropologique View Post
    Celticity is cultural and the Scots still maintain a Celtic culture to a significant degree, including language.
    92,400 people aged three and over (1.9 per cent of the population) had some Gaelic language ability in 2001.
    - Scotland's Census 2001 - Gaelic Report, 10 October 2005
    Probably some of them were exaggerating, too.

    Anthy, tell me about the 'Celtic' culture of Haddingtonshire, Berwickshire, Roxburghshire and Orkney...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthropologique View Post
    Celticity is cultural and the Scots still maintain a Celtic culture to a significant degree, including language.
    Yes, just like Dyfnaint or Dewnens or whatever.

    Next you'll be telling me bagpipes are celtic.

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