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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackson View Post
    This seems pretty accurate overall. I grew up in Surrey and as school kids the majority of us were blond. From my primary school photos i only remember seeing one native person with brown/dark brown hair at that age. Apart from the blond and dark brown, the rest were in various shades of medium brown. Probably about half of all people with blond hair at that age had brown hair after puberty though like myself, so i think these figures are generally accurate. And it's true that most people with blue eyes, also have some green or brown flecks in them, while pure blue eyes don't make up more than a quarter from what i've seen.
    Yes, infantile blondism is pretty high in Britain and decreases with time in adulthood. England seem to be the blonder-haired overall, while Scotland and Wales are darker-haired but not less blue-eyed or lighter-eyed. Those want to make England as dark as a Mediterranean country (e.g. Portugal) are wrong. No region or county at least in England is below 20% for blond hair. Even in Southwest England, which some anthropologists ignorantly labelled as "dark" isn't that dark at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Yes, infantile blondism is pretty high in Britain and decreases with time in adulthood. England seem to be the blonder-haired overall, while Scotland and Wales are darker-haired but not less blue-eyed or lighter-eyed. Those want to make England as dark as a Mediterranean country (e.g. Portugal) are wrong. No region or county at least in England is below 20% for blond hair. Even in Southwest England, which some anthropologists ignorantly labelled as "dark" isn't that dark at all.
    Blond as child then darker when older comes certainly happens with Brits. My brother was blonder than this when even younger. As Adult has red beard and Light brown hair now I would say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloody View Post
    11% of portugal isnt blonde, the figures are way off, 1 in 9 portuguese wouldnt be considered blonde for central or northern european standards... 15-20 % of british isles are blonde, Ireland is barely 12-15% blond.
    You seem to harbor some anti-Southern European sentiment!! Why shouldn't 11% of the Portuguese be blond? There are many Southern Europeans who are blond, though they do not make up a great portion of their population. In fact I know quite a few Portuguese people who are blond-haired. Actually the highest frequency for the Portuguese group is 15%, OK. Stop the dramatization, you'll run out soon of lies.
    This is not question of only Northern or Central European standards but European standard. Not every blond person should look like Roger Moore or Pete Schmeichel either. Your misrepresentation of the British Isles population is nonsense or linked to ignorance. Ireland has a lower percentage than England and to a lesser extent Scotland as a whole, but is never at the levels of a Southern European level. There are plenty of regions in Central Europe which are less blond-haired, less red-haired, less light-eyed than Ireland.
    England though larger is comparable to the Netherlands. Their least blond-haired regions are quite similar in blondism, contrary to what you were saying.

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    West Sussex = 22%
    Wiltshire = 25%
    Derbyshire = 25%
    Worcestershire = 28%
    Somerset = 28%

    The (southern) Netherlands
    Limburg = 21.8%
    North-Brabant = 22.3%
    Zeeland = 28.4%

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    Yes, the most common eye colour in North-West Europe is blue as in the second picture, you posted. In the British Isles as confirmed by the Blue Eye Project and the ScotlandDNA Project in 2014. It is also the most common in the Netherlands. The frequency of blue eyes in the Central England region (50%) is almost identical to that of the Denmark average ( 50.9%), though Denmark is blonder-haired than England as a whole.
    Overall 78% of the Britons have light eyes (blue+green), and only 22% have dark eyes (brown/hazel). This is the result from a recent study released in 2014 by the ScottishDNA Project, Blue Eye Project. Though light eyes frequencies varies by region. The most common eye color in the British Isles is blue! In Britain, Blond hair is found in 25% , 7% have red hair, 40% light/medium brown/chestnut, only 3.1% have black hair and the rest have dark brown hair. Most of the brown hair has a golden/reddish tinge to it.
    In Ireland, hair color 13% blonde, 10% red, 31% light/medium brown/chestnut/auburn, 36% darker hair. More than 80% have light eyes (blue+green). The golden tinge in brown hair has a higher frequency than in Britain.
    ScotlandDNA Eye color numbers are a fraud. They come from an advertisement for a bogus DNA company disguised as a Daily Mail article. There are no sources for any study in the article and I even e-mailed the company asking them where they got the data and there was no response.

    The only scientific eye and hair color statistics for British Isles are from the Anthropometric Comitee for England and John Gray and Earnest A. Hooton for Scotland and Ireland respectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statistician View Post
    ScotlandDNA Eye color numbers are a fraud. They come from an advertisement for a bogus DNA company disguised as a Daily Mail article. There are no sources for any study in the article and I even e-mailed the company asking them where they got the data and there was no response.

    The only scientific eye and hair color statistics for British Isles are from the Anthropometric Comitee for England and John Gray and Earnest A. Hooton for Scotland and Ireland respectively.
    What are you implying? The ScottishDNA's Blue Eyes projects of the 21st century is a fraud? Are you all there? And that outdated data made at a time, where there was less precision than today are not frauds? Many anthropologists were biased and were filled with all sorts of prejudices. You then don't know what you are talking about. You most likely also believe Gobineau theories, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    What are you implying? The ScottishDNA's Blue Eyes projects of the 21st century is a fraud? Are you all there? And that outdated data made at a time, where there was less precision than today are not frauds? Many anthropologists were biased and were filled with all sorts of prejudices. You then don't know what you are talking about. You most likely also believe Gobineau theories, right?
    He's right. This is a fraud.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Moffat


    Alistair Murray Moffat (born 16 June 1950, Kelso, Scotland) is an award-winning Scottish writer and journalist, former director of the Edinburgh Festival Fringe, and Rector of the University of St Andrews.[1]

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    Moffat was the chief executive of the company BritainsDNA, which offered genetic analyses of the mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosomal DNA of customers who interested in their ancestry. On the BBC Today Programme, Moffat made numerous inaccurate statements, including that the company has discovered Eve's "grandson", that prices were "heavily subsidised", and that 97% of men surnamed Cohen share a common genetic marker.[11] These statements were later retracted by the chief scientist of BritainsDNA.[12] In the meantime, two geneticists at University College London, David Balding and Mark G. Thomas, as well as other UCL colleagues, have attacked both these statements and genetic ancestry companies in general.[13] Thomas in particular has suggested that the entire field of interpretive phylogeography, on which much of such genetic testing is based, has no scientific basis and is little more than genetic astrology.[14] However, Martin Richards, Professor of archaeogenetics at University of Huddersfield, and Vincent Macaulay, reader in statistics at the University of Glasgow, have contested these claims.[15]

    Sometime after the interview on the Today Programme, Balding and Thomas wrote a series of emails to Moffat and his business partners. The content of messages has never been published and is disputed between the various parties. However, it is known that Moffat wrote to the Provost of UCL to attempt to get Thomas and Balding to retract comments made in these communications and that Moffat issued a threat to sue if they were repeated. Balding and Thomas alleged that these threats were made to silence their criticism of the underlying science.[16] Moffat and his business partners claim that Thomas and Balding made a series of highly defamatory comments and never impinged on their academic freedom.[12]

    Britain's DNA is one of a group of commercial companies providing DNA ancestry testing, set up by Moffat in 2012 and 2013; Scotland's DNA (the first), Ireland's DNA and Yorkshire's DNA.

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    All above websites doesn't work now

    Some about SctolandDNA https://dna-explained.com/2012/12/20...caveat-emptor/

    Also all statements about percentage of redheads in Britain are from Moffat ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    He's right. This is a fraud.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Moffat




    ScotlandsDNA
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    Founder(s) Alistair Moffat and Dr. James Wilson
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    All above websites doesn't work now

    Some about SctolandDNA https://dna-explained.com/2012/12/20...caveat-emptor/

    Also all statements about percentage of redheads in Britain are from Moffat ass.
    It is not a fraud! You are just not intellectual enough to analyze it. ScotlandDNA Project made proper studies. Stop being rude too, show some manners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statistician View Post
    ScotlandDNA Eye color numbers are a fraud. They come from an advertisement for a bogus DNA company disguised as a Daily Mail article. There are no sources for any study in the article and I even e-mailed the company asking them where they got the data and there was no response.

    The only scientific eye and hair color statistics for British Isles are from the Anthropometric Comitee for England and John Gray and Earnest A. Hooton for Scotland and Ireland respectively.
    That is not the only scientific study done. Ok, get your facts straight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    It is not a fraud! You are just not intellectual enough to analyze it. ScotlandDNA Project made proper studies. Stop being rude too, show some manners.
    Stop crying and explain why websites of this supposoed respectful company don't work

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    Stop crying and explain why websites of this supposoed respectful company don't work
    Oh well, too bad. It doesn't work for you. Stop lying and get your facts straight. The ScotlandDNA is as credible as it gets. Not the nonsense, you're spewing out!

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