Which religion do you follow?

**jerney** · 10-13-2009, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by Kadu

I would question quicker why an American and even more of mixed ancestry is doing on a Cultural & Ethnic European preservation forum.

Why choose him to make your point? Off the top of my head I can think of a few members here who admitted to having some non-European ancestry.

**Lutiferre** · 10-13-2009, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by Dhib

I do not have a problem with it, I just do not believe in it. Jesus was special man, a prophet created by God, but that does not mean he is God incarnate nor representative of God in Hus totality.

According to Quranic revisionism, yes. According to Quranic revisionism, the "black stone" of Kaaba which was originally a pre-Islamic idol worshipped and called Khabár, was "found" by Abraham after the archangel Gabriel revealed it to him, and on which he had relations with a woman, for which reason it is now kissed to this day.

Quranic revisionism doesn't show itself to have much merit, much less does Quranic theology in some aspects. For instance, the Word of God is considered co-eternal with God in Islam, just like in Christianity, and yet they fail to see the point of Trinitarianism, which is that Gods word (or technically called "intelligence") is so much his own that it is him; it is eternally with him, it's uncreated, and is divine and perfect in all regards, which is why it is also co-equal in it's substance, unlike the intelligence of a human intellect, which isn't completely harmonious with the intellect it comes from, being finite and imperfect, God is omniscient and whole, nothing is "lacking" of his divine fullness in its eternality; it's a hypostasis of his entire essence, just like the Father. The same applies to the Spirit, which is simply Gods will enhypostasized. An intellect's will comes after it's intelligence, since it founds its own direction on that intelligence, hence the will is third. Gods will is what founded the heavens and the earth, it is clearly divine and omnipotent and perfect and infinite. Some Muslims call God a "will" rather than a "person"; because they recognize Gods will is so much God that we can almost call God a will. In this sense, they also recognize the third person of the Spirit's substantial essence.

**Lutiferre** · 10-13-2009, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by Pallamedes

I do, however, admire the commentaries that they've written on their own religion and the lengths they've gone to clarify the parts of the Bible that don't make sense.

I see commentaries and divine revelation as an extension of the same tradition. So I don't think it's one making sense out of what doesn't make sense, but one clarifying the orthodox interpretation and spirit in which it was written to begin with.

**~~Dhib~~** · 10-13-2009, 04:17 AM

Jesus is called the "Ruhullah", or the Word of God. He is recognized as such without being associated with God the Creator, Destroyer.

**Lutiferre** · 10-13-2009, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by Dhib

Jesus is called the "Ruhullah", or the Word of God. He is recognized as such without being associated with God the Creator, Destroyer.

But the Word of God is eternal and in it's lack of defect and perfection, it's omniscient and perfect truth, it is itself consubstantial with the deity in it's fullness. Otherwise, it cannot be the true co-eternal Word of God, but must be something lesser. To say it is the Word of God and still deny it's Godhead, is blasphemy.

**~~Svarog~~** · 10-13-2009, 07:37 AM

I was born as a Christian Orthodox, thus far I voted for the option number 3, however, I am a traditionalist, I respect both Christian Orthodox and Serbian/Slavic old faith, I cannot call myself a heathen as I am not devoted to it, nor I can call myself a CO since I haven't been in church since 1995, still, as it is part of my heritage I respect it as such, am sure I am gonna go to church sometimes in the future, just as I love and respect the faith of my ancestors, to which, I honestly find myself and feel more connected than I ever did with the Christianity even when I was a kid and had a constant pressure from family, school etc to be a 'good' Christian. I had religious classes for 4 years in high-school, those stories just never got to me, some are even pretty funny..

**Kadu** · 10-13-2009, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by jerney

Why choose him to make your point? Off the top of my head I can think of a few members here who admitted to having some non-European ancestry.

My point was that his religion is not so important to determine whether he should be here or not as his ancestry.
As for his banning i can only express my discontentment as he could have been a fine add to the forum.