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Thread: What is the origin of blue eyes and light skin? Paleolithic or Neolithic?

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    Default What is the origin of blue eyes and light skin? Paleolithic or Neolithic?

    What is the origin of blue eyes and light skin? Paleolithic or Neolithic(Indo-Europeans)?

    Arguments in favor of paleolithic origin:
    I1 Y-DNA correlated light-eyes geographic distribution.






    Arguments neolithic origin:

    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/200...a1-had_24.html

    http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.UioPgMYvVQW

    The research, as would be expected, is dense, but concludes that the mutuations responsible for blue eye color "most likely originate from the neareast area or northwest part of the Black Sea region, where the great agriculture migration to the northern part of Europe took place in the Neolithic periods about 6,000–10,000 years ago."

    Red hair origin Indo-Europeans (Y-DNA R1b):
    http://www.eupedia.com/genetics/orig...red_hair.shtml

    Tarim and Scythian mummies light colors:




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    Actually your arguments for neolithic origin doesn't really support neolithic origin. The Indo-European expansion was already mixed, when it spreaded to Europe.

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    Neolithic. Blue eyes originated on the northern shores of the Black Sea, and even outside of Europe, the Aryans were fair and blue eyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio View Post
    Neolithic. Blue eyes originated on the northern shores of the Black Sea, and even outside of Europe, the Aryans were fair and blue eyed.
    Wrong. Aryans were dark skinned dark eyed people with dark hair. Western Europeans had no serious genetic relations with proto-Indoeuropean people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    Wrong. Aryans were dark skinned dark eyed people with dark hair. Western Europeans had no serious genetic relations with proto-Indoeuropean people.
    Not true at all.
    To help unravel some of the early Eurasian steppe migration movements, we determined the Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area dated from between the middle of the second millennium BC. to the fourth century AD. In order to go further in the search of the geographic origin and physical traits of these south Siberian specimens, we also typed phenotype-informative single nucleotide polymorphisms. Our autosomal, Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA analyses reveal that whereas few specimens seem to be related matrilineally or patrilineally, nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R1a1-M17 which is thought to mark the eastward migration of the early Indo-Europeans. Our results also confirm that at the Bronze and Iron Ages, south Siberia was a region of overwhelmingly predominant European settlement, suggesting an eastward migration of Kurgan people across the Russo-Kazakh steppe. Finally, our data indicate that at the Bronze and Iron Age timeframe, south Siberians were blue (or green)-eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people and that they might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. To the best of our knowledge, no equivalent molecular analysis has been undertaken so far.
    http://link.springer.com/article/10....439-009-0683-0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    Wrong. Aryans were dark skinned dark eyed people with dark hair.
    What you think the indo-europeans mummies? R1a1 Haplogroup.

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplog...#Tarim_mummies


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    blue eyes and fair complexion are two different things, you have people with dark eyes who are very light.

    as far as blue eyes, don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cern View Post
    What you think the indo-europeans mummies? R1a1 Haplogroup.

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplog...#Tarim_mummies

    Tarim mummies are Tocharian, not PIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benacer View Post
    Tarim mummies are Tocharian, not PIE.
    They were still Indo-Europeans though.

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