J.R.R. Tolkien: South African or Englishman?

**Loki** · 02-10-2012, 02:07 AM

A genetic Englishman who has been fortunate enough to grow up South Africa and acquire superior character insights and personality.

**~~Beorn~~** · 02-10-2012, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy

Tolkien was not born in the British Empire.

A British citizen born on Mars is a Martian.

Discuss.

**Loki** · 02-10-2012, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Beorn

A British citizen born on Mars is a Martian.

Discuss.

A British girl born in Essex does not know what the British Empire was or if Stonehenge is some kind of band.

**~~Beorn~~** · 02-10-2012, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Loki

A British girl born in Essex does not know what the British Empire was or if Stonehenge is some kind of band.

An Essex girl thinks being on TOWIE isteh gwatezt fing eva!!! xoxoxoxox

A British girl born in Essex is most likely an English girl however close Essex is to Mars.

**~~Raskolnikov~~** · 02-10-2012, 02:20 AM

Joe has just been nominated for Troll of the Year by Martian Englishmen. Let's all take a moment to congratulate him and wish him well against his competitors.

**~~Joe McCarthy~~** · 02-10-2012, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Loki

A genetic Englishman who has been fortunate enough to grow up South Africa and acquire superior character insights and personality.

Tolkien was probably no more genetically English than I am. And unlike him, I have an English surname.

His German-English mix possibly gives him greater affinity to the average Boer than it does an Enghlishman, speaking strictly genetically.

**Loki** · 02-10-2012, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Beorn

A British girl born in Essex is most likely an English girl however close Essex is to Mars.

Yes I meant English of course. Essex is one of the most English places in England. But of course not all Essex people are this stupid, only this unfortunate friend of mine.

**Loki** · 02-10-2012, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy

Tolkien was probably no more genetically English than I am. And unlike him, I have an English surname.

His German-English mix possibly gives him greater affinity to the average Boer than it does an Enghlishman, speaking strictly genetically.

It is a fact that Boers/Afrikaners and English-speaking South Africans overlap strongly genetically - something I was not aware of until recently. I have so many close English-speaking SA cousins in SA ... even though in my paternal ancestry line I can see almost no English.

**~~Beorn~~** · 02-10-2012, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy

Tolkien was probably no more genetically English than I am.

Ancestral tree given. Provide yours.

And unlike him, I have an English surname.

Provide your surname and ancestry.

His German-English mix possibly gives him greater affinity to the average Boer than it does an Enghlishman, speaking strictly genetically.

Can't see how an English, Welsh and German ancestry = Boer, but if you can prove this then the forum is your oyster.

**~~Joe McCarthy~~** · 02-10-2012, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by Beorn

Can't see how an English, Welsh and German ancestry = Boer, but if you can prove this then the forum is your oyster.

It obviously doesn't make him a Boer, but Boers, unlike Englishmen, do have a strong German genetic component. Tolkien's mix of German-Welsh-English is more typical of an American than an Englishman as well.