Huns, Magyars and Mongolians - are they related?

[Mordid]

Let hear what jackie chan got to say about it.

[Oghurkhan]

It depends how you ask. First you mean by blood, linguistic or cultural? Cultural they're related for sure. Linguistic they're related by loans and very distant genetic relationships. On the blood and genetic level it's a little bit more complex. In the strict sense the Magyars, Huns and Mongolians aren't (closely) related, the Magyars being Ugrics, the Huns being of unknown probably Altaic extractions, and the Mongolians being Altaics for sure. But on another level, people don't want to know how many groups mingled with eachother on the steppes. The Ugrics came first in contact with Iranians (Andronovo culture), mingled thus producing south Ugrics. The south Ugrics moved to south Russia and south Ukraine, where they mingled with Onogurs, Sabirs and Khazars, thus producing the Magyars. When the Magyars conquered Hungary, they assimilated numerous peoples already living there (pred. Slavs and Avars). After a while the Magyars where enriched with other ethnic elements: German settlers, more Slavs and Vlachs, Turkic Pechenegs and Cumans, and Ossetian Jassic people, thus producing modern Hungarian people. The Huns where at least partly Turkic, so where the Mongolians, so the Hungarians who descend partly from Turkic peoples like Pechenegs, Cumans, Khazars, Onogurs are related to Huns and Mongolians.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

We are both the sons of the Mighty Atilla!!

But no we are not related, and you Mordid are a moron looking for a fight.

And poster above me, how the HELL is Mongolian Culture related to Hungarian?????

Anyway, Magyars are Scythians who mixed a bit with Avars and Huns in the Karpatian Basin.

[Oghurkhan]

Well Mongolian and Magyar culture was related, but since the hungarians where Europanized they lost their nomadic pan-Eurasian culture. Only Hungarian music still shows a strong relationship with Mongolian music.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Well Mongolian and Magyar culture was related, but since the hungarians where Europanized they lost their nomadic pan-Eurasian culture. Only Hungarian music still shows a strong relationship with Mongolian music.

Hungarians were the Scythian steppe people.
And even if they were Finno-ugric, they would be from the West of Urals, a few thousand kilometres from Mongolia.

[Oghurkhan]

That's completely true my friend. Hungarians where always confined to the west of the Urals. But Scythians weren't. The Scythian peoples formed a chain stretching from the Carpathians to west-Mongolia. google Pazyryk culture. Besides that, the Scythians where culturaly (not linguisticaly) the forebears of the Xiongnu (Huns).

[Oghurkhan]

P.S. Xiongnu lived in Mongolia

[Oghurkhan]

And besides, Magyars where only culturaly Scythians, with heavily Scythians admixture, but linguistically the Scythians weren't all Ugrics, the majority was East-Iranian speakers.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Not all of the Huns were mongoloids, they were a collection of different tribes, which included Scythians.

There are blonde genes in Mongolia, which must have gotten there somehow, possibly via Scythians.

EG

[Oghurkhan]

Indeed that's true, I saw it myself when I was in Tuva and Mongolia.