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    Default The Treaty of Trianon (1920)

    What is your view of the Treaty of Trianon? Was it just? Unjust? Something in between? Explain your reasoning.

    The Treaty of Trianon was the peace agreement signed in 1920, at the end of World War I, between the Allies of World War I and Hungary (one of the successor states to Austria-Hungary).[1][2][3][4] The treaty regulated the status of an independent Hungarian state and defined its borders. Compared to the pre-war Kingdom of Hungary (which was part of Austria-Hungary), post-Trianon Hungary had 72% less territory, i.e. its area was 93,073 square kilometres (35,936 sq mi), while the area of the pre-war Kingdom of Hungary was 325,411 square kilometres (125,642 sq mi). Its population was 7.6 million, which was 64% less than the population of the pre-war kingdom, whose population was 20.9 million.[5] 31% (3.3 out of 10.7 million) of ethnic Hungarians[6] who lived in the pre-war kingdom lived outside the newly defined borders of post-Trianon Hungary.[7][8][9] Compared to the pre-war kingdom, post-Trianon Hungary did not include five of ten most populous cities of the pre-war kingdom and did not have direct access to the sea. The military establishment of the post-Trianon Hungary included an army of about 35,000, while the navy of pre-war Austria-Hungary ceased to exist.

    The principal beneficiaries of territorial division of pre-war Kingdom of Hungary were Romania, Czechoslovakia, and the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, due to the fact that territories that were assigned to these countries were mainly populated by ethnic Romanians, Slovaks and South Slavs. In addition, the newly established state of Hungary had to pay war reparations to its neighbours. The Hungarian delegation signed the treaty under protest[7][10] on 4 June 1920 at the Grand Trianon Palace in Versailles, France. In 1938 - 1940, during World-War II, post-Trianon Hungary temporarily expanded its territory and included some additional territories that formerly were part of pre-war Kingdom of Hungary, under Third Reich auspices. It was later reduced to boundaries approximating those of 1920 by the peace treaties signed after World War II at Paris, in 1947.[7]



    The treaty was registered in League of Nations Treaty Series on August 24, 1921.[11]

    Treaty of Trianon internationally guaranteed Hungarian borders.[4]

    Representatives of small nations living in the former Austria-Hungary and active in the Congress of Oppressed Nations regarded the treaty of Trianon for being an act of historical righteousness[12] because the better future for their nations was “to be founded and durably assured on the firm basis of world democracy, real and sovereign government by the people, and an universal alliance of the nations vested with the authority of arbitration” while at the same time making a calls for putting an end to “the existing unbearable domination of one nation over the other” and making it possible “for nations to organize their relations to each other on the basis of equal rights and free conventions”. Furthermore, they believed the treaty would help toward new era of dependence on international law, the fraternity of nations, equal rights, and human liberty as well as aid civilization in the effort to free humanity from international violence.
    More here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trianon



    The Grand Trianon Palace at Versailles is the site of the signing.

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    Trianon was a crime that Europe should be ashamed of.

    As you can see, Mother Nature supports Greater Hungary..




    We have settled in the flatlands while the savages settled in the Mountains. They came illegally, but we have let them stay there (our mistake)

    We have fought, defended and civilised those lands. Its Hungarian blood and sweat that covers the Hungarian soil, not some "Slovaks" or other nations.
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    When it comes to territories with Croatian majority, the treaty was very just and it liberated the Croatians inhabiting those territories from Hungarian oppression and rule. I voted "Somewhat just" though my vote could easily go for "Very just" based on probable Hungarian oppression on other territories under their rule (with or without Hungarian majority).

    EDIT: For further reading search for "Magyarization" and "Magyarization process" on your favourite search engine to clear some thing out.
    Last edited by Heretik; 02-16-2012 at 11:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretik View Post
    When it comes to territories with Croatian majority, the treaty was very just and it liberated the Croatians inhabiting those territories from Hungarian oppression and rule. I voted "Somewhat just" though my vote could easily go for "Very just" based on probable Hungarian oppression on other territories under their rule (with or without Hungarian majority).

    EDIT: For further reading search for "Magyarization" and "Magyarization process" on your favourite search engine to clear some thing out.
    Croats got given full Autonomy.
    Anyway other than Croats, its expected for foreigners to assimilate into the country, EG Poles in Britain need to learn English, they cant simply stick to Polish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magyar the Conqueror View Post
    Croats got given full Autonomy.
    Oh, thanks you master, thanks you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magyar the Conqueror View Post
    Anyway other than Croats, its expected for foreigners to assimilate into the country, EG Poles in Britain need to learn English, they cant simply stick to Polish.
    Say what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretik View Post


    Say what?
    If I went to live in Croatia, you would expect me to learn Croatian, right?
    Or would you like me speaking my own language everywhere and make no attempt at learning Croatian??

    This "evil" Hungarisation you are talking about was simply Hungarians asking for common decency and manners.

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    So Croats in Croatia should speak Hungarian to blend in and respect the etiquette? Man, your logic is beyond flawed... So beyond that Spock would commit suicide with a rusty teaspoon if he read what you are writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretik View Post
    So Croats in Croatia should speak Hungarian to blend in and respect the etiquette? Man, your logic is beyond flawed... So beyond that Spock would commit suicide with a rusty teaspoon if he read what you are writing.
    I said
    OTHER THAN CROATS
    in the previous posts.
    I dont see Croatia as a part of Hungary, it never was, more of a joint state if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretik View Post
    When it comes to territories with Croatian majority, the treaty was very just and it liberated the Croatians inhabiting those territories from Hungarian oppression and rule. I voted "Somewhat just" though my vote could easily go for "Very just" based on probable Hungarian oppression on other territories under their rule (with or without Hungarian majority).
    Strangely enough, you had no major problems with that "oppression" since 1102.

    But yes, Croatia was a special case. An old, historical country of its own in a personal union with the Hungarian crown. That union served us both well, but in the age of nation-states, independence was foreseeable.

    The rest, however, formed a single geographic, cultural and historical unit, a cohesive area called the Carpathian Basin, settled and shaped by Hungarians for a thousand years, even as they slowly lost the population war on the outskirts. Each part developed to support one another, and tearing them apart was an unnatural intervention of foreign powers with no substantial knowledge or regard to local history, conditions or developments. Telling proof of it is the incompetently-drawn border, leaving vast Hungarian-majority areas along the other side of the new border for completely no reason other than the lobbying of vultures who did nothing in the war, but wanted everything afterwards.

    The thought of revisionism - and not necessarily revanchism, or chauvinism - is still an integral part of Hungarian nationalism; a nationalism steadily gaining in numbers and percentages these years. Ottomans occupied a great chunk of this country for 150 years and we never forgot, we never gave up until we reclaimed it all. It won't happen alone, of course, it's going to need a whole lot of diplomacy, international mediation and if needed, force, but as the 1930s and '40s prove it, it's possible to undo unjust "peace" treaties without firing a single gunshot.

    Right now, however, the major focus isn't and shouldn't be on Trianon, but on saving ourselves - and aiding Europe save itself - from the catastrophic destruction brought on us by the suicidal, colourblind liberal democracy of the continent-wrecking EU and the various international money lobbies interested in the elimination of European ethnic and national identities.

    All in due time.

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    What about Romanians, Serbs, Slovaks? They should've also learned Mongolian for proper etiquette?

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