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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    It is better not to touch any borders today, we know that it never can pass without problems.
    Just take a look how this map of Serbian majority from 1914 year matches so-called "Greater Serbia" and that "tiny" Croatia, so better not to touch
    this subject.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...%281914%29.jpg

    Where do you think all Serbian people from nowadays Croatia were relocated during 20th century?

    Only real solution today is to create societies where all nations can live together normal life.

    I suppose you know that Magyar from Vojvodina today can easily get Hungarian citizenship (and EU visa) if they know Hungarian language and have some Hungarian ancestor.

    O.t - Serbia had lot of victims in that war and it deserved some benefits.
    Bosniaks aren't Serbs and they didn't want to live in ''greater Serbia''. You didn't even have population continuity in Bosnia, let alone Croatia.

    Btw, you got parts of Vojvodina due to Croats living there, mainly Bunjevci in Subotica.

    Syrmia and south of Bacska shoud have been enough. Just because many Serbs died, doesn't give them right to take other countries territories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
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    We give Subotica to Hungary, you give Srpska Krajina to Serbia. Deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    We give Subotica to Hungary, you give Srpska Krajina to Serbia. Deal?
    ''Srpska krajina'' ?

    Never heard of such name before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    ''Srpska krajina'' ?

    Never heard of such name before
    Yes you heard. And do we have a deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    Yes you heard. And do we have a deal?
    One city for entire region ?

    Ehh...

    I don't think Hungary needs Subotica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    I don't think Hungary needs Subotica.
    That would be nice of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Bosniaks aren't Serbs and they didn't want to live in ''greater Serbia''. You didn't even have population continuity in Bosnia, let alone Croatia.

    Btw, you got parts of Vojvodina due to Croats living there, mainly Bunjevci in Subotica.

    Syrmia and south of Bacska shoud have been enough. Just because many Serbs died, doesn't give them right to take other countries territories.
    Some Muslims of Bosnia considered themselves Serbs like Mehmed Selimović, Osman Đikić and many other members of Gajret organization.

    Bunjevci didnt consider themselves to be Croats before ww2, and many resist Croatisation even now.
    „Događa se, da se mnogi Hrvati uvode kao Bunjevci i Šokci u rubrike, gde se označava narodnost, a ne kao Hrvati kao npr.: u legitimacije, razne evidencije i spiskove, i to biva često i po njihovom izričitom zahtevu ili po volji i nahodjenju dotičnog činovnika.

    Kako bunjevačke i šokačke narodnosti ne postoje, to vam se naređuje da sve Bunjevce i Šokce imadete tretirati isključivo kao Hrvate bez obzira na njihovu izjavu. U raznim okruzima i mestima, gde se oni do sada uvedeni kao Šokci i Bunjevci ima se to ispraviti i označiti kao Hrvati naročito u legitimacijama, biračkim spiskovima, putnim dozvolama i raznim drugim spiskovima po narodnosti. U buduće se imaju unositi samo isključivo kao Hrvati. Sve do sada izdate legtimacije i isprave, gde su označeni kao Bunjevci i Šokci, imaju se uništiti i nove izdati, izdavanje novih legitimacija ne sme se ponovo naplaćivati od stranaka.

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    Bunjevci are as Croat as Vlachs from Croatia are Serb. They developed national consicience around same time.

    1925 ?

    Btw, all Bunjevci in Croatia are Croats. In Hungary too. Only exception in Serbia, and we all know why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Bunjevci are as Croat as Vlachs from Croatia are Serb. They developed national consicience around same time.

    1925 ?

    Btw, all Bunjevci in Croatia are Croats. In Hungary too. Only exception in Serbia, and we all know why.
    Because in Serbia they faced less assimilation. You can see that Bunjevci are always mentioned as Bunjevci not as Croats. Bunjevci also come from Herzegovina which was mostly Serbian in middle ages. its clear they had their own national identity separate from Croats.

    And Serbs from Croatia never called each other Vlach, we always considered ourselves Serbs. You cant compare the two

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlak View Post
    Because in Serbia they faced less assimilation. You can see that Bunjevci are always mentioned as Bunjevci not as Croats. Bunjevci also come from Herzegovina which was mostly Serbian in middle ages. its clear they had their own national identity separate from Croats.

    And Serbs from Croatia never called each other Vlach, we always considered ourselves Serbs. You cant compare the two
    Bunjevci are Ikavians just like other Croats. They're from western Herzegovina. But I have no problem with those that consider themself separate ethnicity, majority still doesn't.

    National consciousnes developed in 19th century. Most peasant enywhere weren't exactly aware of what they are, people mostly idenitfied by language and religion.

    Bunjevci could have become Serbs, or ''Vlachs'' Croats, but mostly religion prevented it.

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