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    New stuff.
    I m loving this Balkan thread.

    Now we are the assimiliation bitches.

    Vlachs, Arvanites, Turks, Roma, Mengleno-Romanians or Pomaks haven't suffered all that... We must be so picky...

    Or maybe.. just maybe..the propaganda you are fed up are missing some points...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandelion View Post
    Now the 10 thousands Grecomans became millions.

    I m loving it.


    Not good, true. Probably because the so much explanation is still nosensical.

    There's no reasoning with you, is it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by feuerfrei View Post
    Northern Greeks definitely are not Bulgarians in denial. Almost one million Bulgarians lived in what is now Greek Macedonia and Thrace until 1922. About half of them were resettled in Bulgarian Thrace, Rhodope mountains and the Black sea coast. The other half remained in Greece, where they suffered atrocities from the Greek government for long years. They were so feared to identify as Bulgarians and spoke in Bulgarian only in their homes. This was until 1945. After that, Bulgarian communist government forgot about those Bulgarians in Greece and the Greek state calmed down and started to assimilate them in peaceful way - making them go in Greek schools, interethnical marriages, and so on. Today, the younger generations are not aware at all that they may have Bulgarian blood. They feel Greeks, speak in Greek and have Greek friends. With an exception of Bulgarians in Kastoria, Florina and Edessa regions, who still have Bulgarian identity, and Bulgarian immigrants since the dawn of democracy, nobody else identifies as Bulgarian in Greece. Then why are they Bulgarians in denial, because they have Bulgarian grandmother? According to this logic, a significant number of Bulgarians living on the Black sea coast are Greeks in denial because there were many Greeks living there in the past. But those people are Bulgarians and feel like one, it doesn't matter that they may have 12,5 or 4,75 percent of Greek blood.
    Sources or GTFO!

    Some of those Bulgarians in Greece you mention were never forced to assimilate. They were happy to do it themselves. the one who were Patriarchists and Grecomans. HAs anybody actually read what I posted!?

    We and the Greeks had very different approach to ethnicity when we were in the process of nation building. For Greeks it only mattered weather one is Eastern Orthodox PAtriarchist, while we did put language on a pedestal and identified all Analytical Balkan Slavs as Bulgarians...

    Those Bulgarian Greeks on the Wog Sea coast are exactly that Bulgarian Greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandelion View Post
    New stuff.
    I m loving this Balkan thread.

    Now we are the assimiliation bitches.

    Vlachs, Arvanites, Turks, Roma, Mengleno-Romanians or Pomaks haven't suffered all that... We must be so picky...

    Or maybe.. just maybe..the propaganda you are fed up are missing some points...
    What propaganda? You have lived with the dreams of Ancient Greece and Byzantine Empire and wanted to resurrect them, therefore Greek authorities tortured anyone who doesn't wanted to call themselves Greek. Travel to Northern Greece where the villages used to be Bulgarian, and see the monument of a Greek killer of Bulgarians worshiped as a hero by the local Greeks. Do you know the case of the disappeared statue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by feuerfrei View Post
    What propaganda? You have lived with the dreams of Ancient Greece and Byzantine Empire and wanted to resurrect them, therefore Greek authorities tortured anyone who doesn't wanted to call themselves Greek. Travel to Northern Greece where the villages used to be Bulgarian, and see the monument of a Greek killer of Bulgarians worshiped as a hero by the local Greeks. Do you know the case of the disappeared statue?
    I lived in Nothern Greece for more than 16 years.
    The torture stuff is simply idiotic. Still, you don't explain me why we ''torture'' only Bulgarians, and not any other group of people. And still, you don't explain why there were (back then) and still are people that claim to be Slavophones.
    We must be so bad in torturing. Fail...

    And anyone that helps to win a war is a hero. I don't know why is strange to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by morski View Post
    There's no reasoning with you, is it?

    There is, but those have no reason at all. (Neither posting a map that I can't read) makes.

    Anyway, this entertaining thread have ''teached '' me a lot

    - Anyplace that was under Bulgarian/Turkish or Albanian control has Bulgarians,Turks and Albanians in denial so-called Greeks.
    But any place that has been under Greek control, has no Greeks in denial.even if they were after Greek/Byzantine control for more time


    - Treaties and population exchanges are taken into consideration only when fits.
    I mean the Treaty of Lausanne, is taken into consideration because it fits to say that Nothern Greece have many anatolians - just Orthodox (but does't fit to say that only 200.000 of the 1.3 million refugees came after the treaty of Laussane, while the rest - Greeks - were fled before that)
    The treaty of Neuilly, is simply non-existant

    - Greeks are assimiliation bitches, but only selectively. They let Arvanites or Vlachs to speak their languages and identify as they want, but not the Bulgarians , or they let only the Bulgarian Muslims, aka Pomaks.

    - If 500 years ago you were an Albanian, after 500 years of integrating in a Greek society and mixing with locals, (meaning at least 15-20 generations later), you still are an Albanian, however, in the opossite chance, you are not a Greek or any other..

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    Quote Originally Posted by morski View Post
    To further illustrate the ambiguity of ethnicity in Thrace in particular here is a suite of Thracian folklore music, same in all three countries that share the region. Sounds 100% Bulgarian to me:

    [YOUTUBE]tGpOUHqBU2o[/YOUTUBE]

    This form might have come from the original Slavs inhabiting that region since ancient times and of which the Celts were probably a part. Since Serbia has this music too, such as in this Serbian video.


    [youtube]OYfywT0HprQ[/youtube]

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    dandelion havent u learnd anything hole balkan is albanians and bulgarians in denial, there are no serbs or greeks we are just in denial dont u see the logic in what they are saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by rashka View Post
    This form might have come from the original Slavs inhabiting that region since ancient times and of which the Celts were probably a par. Since Serbia has this music too, such as in this Serbian video.
    Slavs in Thrace? Where? When?
    Those Slavs...there wasn't anything originally Slavic before the end of 9th century...and that dances are definitely older.

    Quote Originally Posted by dandelion View Post
    I lived in Nothern Greece for more than 16 years.
    The torture stuff is simply idiotic. Still, you don't explain me why we ''torture'' only Bulgarians, and not any other group of people. And still, you don't explain why there were (back then) and still are people that claim to be Slavophones.
    We must be so bad in torturing. Fail...
    Were you born in Northern Greece? Do you know your family tree?

    And Bulgarians resisted much severer tortures than those from Greek authorities...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milenko View Post
    dandelion havent u learnd anything hole balkan is albanians and bulgarians in denial, there are no serbs or greeks we are just in denial dont u see the logic in what they are saying
    Yeah - true. I have to accept this to be honest. Its very logical after all

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    [QUOTE=dandelion;736634]
    The torture stuff is simply idiotic.

    This is not true.Many refugees had been murdered while leaving the country.Many Bulgarians that still live in Greece have big I mean big problems for claiming themselfs Bulgarians.
    "Човек дори и добре да живее умира и друг се ражда, но оставя това което е съградил."

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