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Turn the telly on some time, and you'll see that the magical wonderful golden age of Light and Justice and Equality is drawing to a hurried end. Your 'dark ages' is just business as usual, now that the utopianism of the last few decades is cracking under the weight of reality. The ethnic question has re-emerged, sharper than ever. That history is a story of emergence from darkness into light was just a naive progressive fantasy.
'People of Ashkenazi descent'... lol. I'm a person of English descent. Strangely enough, we just call ourselves 'English'. How come you lads get special rules?
Anyroad, you don't think you're English or owt, do you1?!!?!
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I'm an American but speaking as one that has obvious close ancestral-cultural ties to England as well as having lived there and been involved with an English woman. I'll say that historically England has seen the Continent as the source of trouble, and the English speaking peoples as their solution. There is also the problems with France, and the English often associate Europe with France and the French have tried to say the English are not really European in outlook.
Some of it is based in Anglo supremacism (we're too good for them, they'll say). Some of it is based in many Continentals themselves not seeing the English as Europeans.
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She's probably more English than I am ... and that says a lot ... I'm probably closer to the Queen in many respects than my Essex lady friend
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Just being of European descent does not make Jews European anymore than the fact. I have German and Irish descent makes me either German or Irish. I might feel like I am more of something than I really am, but this is just the fate of race-mixed or ethnic-mixed people. Its not a good or bad thing, because it is what it is, and it is good to be proud of your European descent.
In my mind being Jewish sometimes coincides with being Jewish in the ethnical sense, but its not mutually exclusive, since everything is a process of becoming more or less whether it be artifical or natural via Heraclitus. A lot of Ashkernazis were fleeing all over Europe during the Middle Ages, even up to the Enlightenment.
None of them were officially settled in a specific country for a while, and many were killed during the Medieval Periods during the persecution of Jews. A lot of Jews lived in isolated enclaves within certain European nations, and had their own cultural lifestyle isolated from the surrounding culture. It was not until later after the Enlightenment where Jews were forced to adopt the surnames of Europeans, and officially adapt into their cultures.
Some Jews would affiliate more as Europeans, even though they were not, like Boaz. There were some who still considered themselves as more Jewish, and I don't have the data to show how this all correlates to their religious affiliation and the degree of Jewish blood they had or not.
In retrospect Jews never truly integrated into a lot of European cultures, because they never desired it or they never had the time to, because they were moving around all the time.
The couple that did are generally referred to as their European ethnicity + Jewish, so it would be fallacious to negate this part as I said. Even if they are part European in culture, identity, or both does not mean that they are part Non-European in their background via their Jewish bloodlines at the minimum.
I think its time to be honest, and the cold fact is that people with a Jewish ethnic background, or even a religious affiliation can't be considered truly or authentically European in whole. Usually if you have a cultural or religious affiliation with Judaism you have a Jewish ethnic connection, although this is not always the case as I stated earlier.
The point is though you can't consider yourself European if you have only European descent, but you are of Jewish bloodlines as well. Its also hard to consider yourself truly European if you believe in Judaism or practice Jewish cultural traditions, which applies to all European muslims as well.
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'Dark Ages' is a turn of phrase referring to the pre-Renaissance era. Perhaps I just like to see the good in humanity, but I don't consider ignorance and fanaticism to be 'business as usual'.
Ashkenazis are a European ethnic group. I was born in England, so I could be called 'English', though I am not of English descent. I was simply born here. Neither my mother nor my father are English. My mother is Romanian and my father is French. Therefore I am of Romanian and French descent.
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Btw Ossie is not nearly as menacing in real life as he is in the e-world
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