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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    You tell me. It seems religious culture is up for questioning by your very self.
    Religious culture is very much up to questioning, because a person from any culture can believe whatever they want. Well, maybe not in the Arab world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetiteParisienne View Post
    Do Catholics in Singapore worship a different God to the Catholics living in West Philadelphia?
    This is getting STUPID.

    Converts to Judaism, in historical times, were absorbed into the Jewish people, or even converted ONLY to be able to marry into it. Malays and African Americans were converted to Catholicism in utterly different and non-analogous ways. Honestly, are you really so intellectually challenged, or are you just playing with us?

    Judaism is an ethnic religion. The Jews are an ethnic category. Perhaps verging more on the superethnos level than strictly ethnos. But the blood connections are there.

    Why don't you use a little of your Jew Gold to get yourself and your dad a 23 and Me genetics test. I'm sure you'll find some distinct markers linking you to your 'co-religionists'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunor View Post
    It's not surprising that 35% - 55% of all Ashkenazi Jews are of European genes. They've lived for a very long time in Europe, and obviously picked up genes from there.

    Racially speaking, most Jews look like vaguely exotic Caucasoids who stick out in a North European country. Someone else brought up Robert Oppenheimer as an example. I guess most people think of Ashkenazi Jews as "white ethnics" nowadays.

    Out of all Jews, it's just the Ashkenazim who can qualify as "racially European". So I guess they could become actual Europeans if they assimilated culturally as well. So that's my opinion on this: some Jews are European, others are not.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post
    This is getting STUPID.

    Converts to Judaism, in historical times, were absorbed into the Jewish people, or even converted ONLY to be able to marry into it. Malays and African Americans were converted to Catholicism in utterly different and non-analogous ways. Honestly, are you really so intellectually challenged, or are you just playing with us?

    Judaism is an ethnic religion. The Jews are an ethnic category. Perhaps verging more on the superethnos level than strictly ethnos. But the blood connections are there.

    Why don't you use a little of your Jew Gold to get yourself and your dad a 23 and Me genetics test. I'm sure you'll find some distinct markers linking you to your 'co-religionists'.
    Name calling. Very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetiteParisienne View Post
    Anyone who still considers people of Ashkenazi descent to be 'foreigners' is living in the Dark Ages. Assimilation is assimilation.

    Anyone who converts to Judaism is very much considered to be a Jew. Jews do not proselytise, so converts to Judaism are considered quite precious in Israel and the Diaspora.

    Your condescension is really unbecoming.
    The difference is that Judaism is still largely confined to the same ancestral Jewish population that it ever was with few European converts whilst Christianity is of the majority.
    I think Judaism is seen as weird, that is probably one of the reasons for its lacklustre appeal to Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebastard View Post
    This is not forum for the following topic but I simply could not help my self not to since you mention it
    Why Brits always think about themselves as outsiders? I have noticed that English people if not all Brits are more Nordic centered when compared even to Nazis. Is this because of mock towards other non-germanic nations. I am talking rubbish to some but I still want to know is the reason this or is it cultural ( isolated ) thing
    Have in mind that I do not judge you everyone would think the way you do if someone is in your place
    My husband tends to identify as 'British' before 'European'. Were the UK not part of the EU, he probably wouldn't identify as being European much. Only some British people feel this way though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetiteParisienne View Post
    Religious culture is very much up to questioning, because a person from any culture can believe whatever they want. Well, maybe not in the Arab world.
    You said: "'Jewish culture' does not exist, because there are people from all over the world who practice the Jewish faith."

    An example of this logic: 'English culture doesn't exist because there are people from all over the world who have embraced English culture.

    Therefore, English culture doesn't exist.Yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    The difference is that Judaism is still largely confined to the same ancestral Jewish population that it ever was with few European converts whilst Christianity is of the majority.
    I think Judaism is seen as weird, that is probably one of the reasons for its lacklustre appeal to Europeans.
    I agree with you for the most part. Judaism would be seen as less weird if it wasn't such a rarity. Jewish people have only really started fully assimilating over the past couple of hundred years, and there's a huge gap between assimilated Jews and insular religious Jews. I would not consider the latter to be white/European by any stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    You said: "'Jewish culture' does not exist, because there are people from all over the world who practice the Jewish faith."

    An example of this logic: 'English culture doesn't exist because there are people from all over the world who have embraced English culture.

    Therefore, English culture doesn't exist.Yes?
    'English' is neither a religion nor an ethno-religious grouping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post

    Why don't you use a little of your Jew Gold to get yourself and your dad a 23 and Me genetics test. I'm sure you'll find some distinct markers linking you to your 'co-religionists'.
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