"35%-55% Ashkenazis are of European Descent"

[Nglund]

I certainly am. Jews are NOT European regardless of how they look.

The way they look is not the point. You are consequently labelling German war veterans as non-European.

[Albion]

Jewish place in Europe

Can a Jew be English?: No, we are our own ethnicity.

Can a Jew be British?: Yes, as a citizen (they have a British passport), but the concept of a British ethnic group includes only the native British peoples (English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, Cornish, Manx, Channel Islanders).

Are Jews European?: Undecided. Ashkenazi are the most likely group if any are accepted, the rest have no chance.
They're very Europeanised at least, so I'll call them "Europeanised" for now.

What about people with minor Jewish ancestry?: Depends upon the majority of their ancestry, if they are mainly of British ancestry and identify as British or one of the native ethnicities then I'd regard them as British.

Non-religious Jews?: The same rules apply, although they'd probably assimilate into the general population over time if they mixed with non-Jews.

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Origins of the Jews

Levantine and North Caucasian. Ashkenazi are probably more North Caucasian than Levantine.

[Hess]

The way they look is not the point. You are consequently labelling German war veterans as non-European.

Do they identify as Jews? If so, then they are Non-European. If they identify as Europeans, it is of course different story.

[Sikeliot]

right, and this is why I always say that all these fancy genetic charts are bollocks.


Greeks are not just Europeans, they are the root of Western civilization and no Dodecad or Mcdnonald graph is going to convince me otherwise.

I wasn't implying anything about Greeks for the genetic part.. they are significantly Neolithic but unlike other groups mentioned are not (at least in part) descended from well-established Semitic groups like Phoenicians and Assyrians.

[Joe McCarthy]

Originally Posted by Albion
No one disputes the English are European apart from the English themselves.

There are those on the Continent who will disagree, as well as some American Anglophiles.

The defining moment in recent history was when Churchill said the British are of Europe but not of it and told Charles De Gaulle Britain would always side with America over France. De Gaulle returned the favor by vetoing Britain's entry into the Common Market multiple times.

The English europhiles are a minority (I use the term "europhile" to refer to the EU and European federalism, not Europe the continent). They tend to be the worst sorts of people, not a patriotic bone in their body and usually quite traitorous.
They're a pessimistic bunch and all their arguments are based around the apparent strength European unity would create. However, most English people are centre right and against further EU integration and many are for leaving the EU and repairing ties to the Anglosphere.

The American media might report us to be a load of Europhiles, but it is hardly the case.

I agree in part, but I have seen polling that indicates the British, particularly the younger ones, see their future more in Europe than with America. That may be switching back now though with the clusterfuck that is the EU crisis.

In any case, there is little doubt where Americans stand here. Americans are very pro-British and much less pro-Europe (though we're that too). Hopefully Britain won't turn on us.

An interesting idea, but I doubt Jews would just forget their religion. They'd hide it as they did in Spain.

Those were Sephardim. Can there be any doubt where people like Milch stood - and that even in a rabidly anti-Semitic state? Over time the Jewish input could be diluted even more.

[StonyArabia]

That appearance could not exist in a European who does not have considerable West Asian influence, well above the average for a European nation. Hence why it appears in the places you named, and why those ethnicities cluster not well within the European cluster but on the edge of it (and Cypriots not even within it).

More like SouthWest Asian ie Arabian component, he is exotic to be honest in the Caucasus, he can not fit in Georgia or Armenia let alone Circassia

[Albion]

If it were true Ethnic European Muslims are not European, then why aren't all non-Christians on the continent considered non-European?

Traitors exist in all races.

Why? Are we that outnumbered that we have to resort to importing hired mercenaries?

No, but I'd rather us have a few less enemies and a few more people who'd watch our back. It isn't a difficult concept.

[PetiteParisienne]

Jewish place in Europe

Can a Jew be English?: No, we are our own ethnicity.

Can a Jew be British?: Yes, as a citizen (they have a British passport), but the concept of a British ethnic group includes only the native British peoples (English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, Cornish, Manx, Channel Islanders).

Are Jews European?: Undecided. Ashkenazi are the most likely group if any are accepted, the rest have no chance.
They're very Europeanised at least, so I'll call them "Europeanised" for now.

What about people with minor Jewish ancestry?: Depends upon the majority of their ancestry, if they are mainly of British ancestry and identify as British or one of the native ethnicities then I'd regard them as British.

Non-religious Jews?: The same rules apply, although they'd probably assimilate into the general population over time if they mixed with non-Jews.

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Origins of the Jews

Levantine and North Caucasian. Ashkenazi are probably more North Caucasian than Levantine.

Fair.

[ariaka]

What do you mean when you ask: are jews European? Are you using that as a synonym for "white". If so would you consider white Americans to be European? These questions are for anyone who has been discussing whether or not jews are Europeans and anyone on any side of that issue.

[Sikeliot]

More like SouthWest Asian ie Arabian component, he is exotic to be honest in the Caucasus, he can not fit in Georgia or Armenia let alone Circassia

It might have been better had I said "Semitic" instead of West Asian.