Which former British colony is the most racially conscious?

[Albion]

Well, that worthless island managed to beat back the British militarily, all the same:



And the French:



A couple of historical facts that I'm glad aren't better known.

The problem is that in many wars Europeans didn't put in enough effort and follow things through to the end.
Really though, Haiti wouldn't have been worth doing so.

[Aemma]

As Rocher says there exists two main legitimate cultural spheres in Canada (lets just leave out the Acadians and the Natives for now, but know that I believe that they have autonomy rights), the English Canadian and the Quebecois. In these geographic regions each legitimate peoples have an absolute right over culture and politics within their borders.

You haven't listened to a word I said. Culture here is loosely based on geography, not entirely. And again, you choose to not recognise me as a French Canadian but instead wish to relegate the likes of me as one worthy only of living on a reservation (ie., Quebec). You unfortunately have a very narrow sense of what it is to be Canadian.

I don't believe that the two spheres should be mixed or promoted to be mixed because that is insulting to both of them. French language and culture has no place in Vancouver. English language and culture has no place in Quebec City. I believe in promoting friendship between the two spheres but never promoting mixing them. Biculturalism is just as bad as multiculturalism to me.

Ok so now I'm the equivalent of a mulatto to you? Oops no, that would make me a quadroon I guess. Oh my god, was it that bad that my grandfather fell in love with and married a British woman? Your underlying message here makes me feel dirty and inhuman. Is this what you mean to impart? I AM and will ALWAYS BE just as deserving of the name Canadian as you. Got that, kid?

There doesn't exist a nation on earth in which biculturalism and bilingualism for the entire country or even in certain internal divisions is a feasible prospect, and it certainly isn't in Canada. In fact since I live in the two provinces that border Quebec and have the most francophones outside of Quebec I know that biculturalism and bilingualism does not work in either, and never has. "biculturalism and bilingualism" in these provinces means the french people speaking english and the English eating poutine. It's the same in every bilingual/bicultural city/region in the world. One culture is always dominant over the other and the cultural exchange is meagre at best and can result in divisiveness.

You obviously have not ever heard of Switzerland.

And you evidently have a very poor notion of French Canadians if all you think is that our biggest cultural gift has been poutine.

People who have ancestry from different cultures always have to chose one or the other. There are plenty of threads talking about that here. You can't have your cake and eat it too, that's the reality of life.

To some degree you can. And I am proof positive. Whether you see this as legitimate or not is of little import to me.

Again I don't believe minorities, even if they are related to one of the two legitimate spheres, have any due rights regarding culture. You are free to live wherever you want and if the numbers warrant it you deserve public services/schools (if you are a legitimate people), but you can't be given special cultural consideration if you are a minority because that is depriving the cultural rights of the legitimate people of that area.

I thank my lucky stars for Pierre Trudeau every single day!

Pandering to minorities is what gave rise to multiculturalism in Canada in the first place, a fool is one who doesn't learn from his past mistakes.

And it takes a far greater fool to not be able to see the forest for the trees. You obviously need to study your Canadian history a whole lot better however. It is the British who allowed us to have cultural rights in the first place. You choose to displace your anger. This is your choice. But I do ask you to become better informed of the facts.

I will just say this; you talk about deserving cultural rights as a minority, but how would you feel if someone who was from a foreign culture and nation insulted and disgraced your culture and your people in your rightful homeland as a majority and shoved a foreign language down your throat to top it off? I'm not sorry I don't have much sympathy for your plight when mine is immeasurably worse.

Who are you angry with here? The French or some other culture?

Shove a foreign language down your throat? Last I heard French wasn't considered a "foreign" language. It was a pretty much established language long before the likes of you came along.

So spare me your grief. I have my own.

I am waiting for the day that Quebec secedes. That will be the only chance English Canadians and Quebecois will ever get to reclaim our rightful cultural rights. If not the Canadian government is going to continue destroying this countries' two cultural spheres until there is nothing left to protect for both of us.

Again your narrow-mindedness does you an injustice. All you can see is an enemy within while there are far worse enemies out there.

I'm truly quite sorry that you feel like I'm a second class citizen living in your country.

I think it best that I remove myself from this discussion now since we obviously are "Canadian" but in name only. Such a shame really.

[Grumpy Cat]

You haven't listened to a word I said. Culture here is loosely based on geography, not entirely. And again, you choose to not recognise me as a French Canadian but instead wish to relegate the likes of me as one worthy only of living on a reservation (ie., Quebec). You unfortunately have a very narrow sense of what it is to be Canadian.



Ok so now I'm the equivalent of a mulatto to you? Oops no, that would make me a quadroon I guess. Oh my god, was it that bad that my grandfather fell in love with and married a British woman? Your underlying message here makes me feel dirty and inhuman. Is this what you mean to impart? I AM and will ALWAYS BE just as deserving of the name Canadian as you. Got that, kid?



You obviously have not ever heard of Switzerland.

And you evidently have a very poor notion of French Canadians if all you think is that our biggest cultural gift has been poutine.



To some degree you can. And I am proof positive. Whether you see this as legitimate or not is of little import to me.



I thank my lucky stars for Pierre Trudeau every single day!



And it takes a far greater fool to not be able to see the forest for the trees. You obviously need to study your Canadian history a whole lot better however. It is the British who allowed us to have cultural rights in the first place. You choose to displace your anger. This is your choice. But I do ask you to become better informed of the facts.



Who are you angry with here? The French or some other culture?

Shove a foreign language down your throat? Last I heard French wasn't considered a "foreign" language. It was a pretty much established language long before the likes of you came along.

So spare me your grief. I have my own.



Again your narrow-mindedness does you an injustice. All you can see is an enemy within while there are far worse enemies out there.

I'm truly quite sorry that you feel like I'm a second class citizen living in your country.

I think it best that I remove myself from this discussion now since we obviously are "Canadian" but in name only. Such a shame really.

Cut him some slack, he is an English speaking New Brunswicker, the Maritimes have English/French issues.

He is a conservative, though (from what I gather). Conservative English-speaking Maritimers are more respectable and respectful than liberal ones. I mentioned in another thread that I roamed down to two Occupy gatherings in the Maritimes, Moncton and Charlottetown. Why did I not go to Halifax when I am from Nova Scotia? Halifax is the most liberal city in the Maritimes and I didn't feel comfortable. Liberal ones can be 10 times worse. They think all French-Canadians are backwards racists and will abuse you with no shame.

[European Loyalist]

ffs. You are probably live 2 km next to the Quebec border. No Acadian that I've met speaks the way you do. It's only in Canada that a majority person in his rightful homeland gets told by a minority that it's not good enough to have public services in their language and freedom of movement but also their existence is grounds for turning all of Canada into a multicultural multilingual balkan state. I speak for the renaming patriot English Canadians and the true Quebecois people when I say sod off, we want our cultural rights back. May Quebec soon have her deserved independence.

And British people never gave cultural rights to french people outside of Quebec (in fact we at one point were planning on assimilating all of you). It was Pierre Trudeau who did, along with every other culture on the face of the earth.

And have you ever even been to Switzerland? I have. They are a linguistically divided nation. They work as a nation for that fact, each language has it's own region and they keep it that way, they respect it. Nobody is promoting mixing them BECAUSE THAT'S INSULTING TO ALL OF THEM.

[European Loyalist]

Cut him some slack, he is an English speaking New Brunswicker, the Maritimes have English/French issues.

He is a conservative, though (from what I gather). Conservative English-speaking Maritimers are more respectable and respectful than liberal ones. I mentioned in another thread that I roamed down to two Occupy gatherings in the Maritimes, Moncton and Charlottetown. Why did I not go to Halifax when I am from Nova Scotia? Halifax is the most liberal city in the Maritimes and I didn't feel comfortable. Liberal ones can be 10 times worse. They think all French-Canadians are backwards racists and will abuse you with no shame.

I believe in conservatism yes, the CPC no. And yes often liberals will stereotype and disrespect Quebecois nationalists and Acadian Nationalists/autonomists. I support both fully, because I respect cultural rights. I don't support people promoting cutting down other peoples cultural rights, and I never will.

[Óttar]

I would have to say South Africa merely because it is impossible not to have a racial consciousness when you are White and surrounded by inimical and potentially genocidal Xhosas and Zulus.

I would say Australia if you mean having a sensible immigration policy.

[GeistFaust]

South Africa, Austrailia, New Zealand, U.S., and Canada in that order. The Canada are just as messed up as the U.S. if not more so. South Africa as Joe said just got rid of Apartheid in 1994.

[Bardamu]

It has to be SA considering they recently experienced racial revolution: politically Whites are down Blacks up. They are butchering Boer farmers and the crooked Black dominated system is at times not even prosecuting the murderers. And it should be said these aren't just plain murders either but the most heinous of killing preceded by tortures and the most awful defiling. Of all this the Western press is silent and complicit.

[rhiannon]

South Africa makes sense from an intuitive point of view. I think minorities tend to be more racially aware because they are, in fact, minority. Though there are more whites living in South Africa than any other part of Africa....they are still living in...well....Black Africa.

Last on the list will either be the US or Canada. JMO on it.

[Alberta1]

Canada was always liberal in some regards.