What does portuguese sound like to you?

[Damião de Góis]

I think we're talking about different periods of time, I was talking about the succession war in spain which ended in 1714. In catalan schools they teach nothing about portugal.I was not pretending to be nationalist during the discussion as I hate nationalisms; i love patriotism though.

I have nothing against Catalonia, or against Spain for that matter. What i was saying about Olivença is an historical fact, not that a border village is all that important. And the iberian union (1580-1640) ended with a war for independence. I don't think Catalonia had anything to do with that war.

[ius semper]

I have nothing against Catalonia, or against Spain for that matter. What i was saying about Olivença is an historical fact, not that a border village is all that important. And the iberian union (1580-1640) ended with a war for independence. I don't think Catalonia had anything to do with that war.

I have nothing against portugal neither. And when it comes to the iberian union; spain didn't actually existed as "spain", it was Castille + Navarre + Aragonese crown ( where catalonia was forming part as a confederate state). And no, Catalonia had nothing to do in that period of time, you're right.

[Rumata]

To me Portuguese sounds soft, relaxed, 'rounded'. Abundance of 'sh' sound is very noticeable. Interesting phonetics.

Do slavic languages have nasal vowels? If not, you can tell it's Portuguese because of its nasal vowels.

Polish has.

[kkk77]

To me Portuguese sounds soft, relaxed, 'rounded'. Abundance of 'sh' sound is very noticeable. Interesting phonetics.


Polish has.

That reinforces what I think, Portuguese sounds more like Polish than Russian.

[Thatone]

Slavic Spanish.

[Comte Arnau]

And the iberian union (1580-1640) ended with a war for independence. I don't think Catalonia had anything to do with that war.

Ius Semper is confusing periods of time, industrialization obviously began much later. But I'd say there clearly was some connection between the independence of Portugal and that of Catalonia, even if just mere strategical convenience, as both conflicts started at the same time. Most people don't know that Catalonia became independent at the beginning of 1641 for a short period of time, fighting the invasion of Castilian troops that had started two months before, eventually becoming a republic under French protection. The Portuguese Restoration war started with the coup taking place right after Castilian troops started invading Catalonia. Connection? The wars in 1640 against Spanish centralism in both sides of Iberia clearly meant two important different conflicts taking place at the same time within the Kingdom, apart from other conflicts in several other places. So yes, 1640 was a key year indeed. The national Catalan anthem is based on a song describing those facts. In your case, you recovered independence. Here, the result would end up in an agreement between the French and the Spanish kings to split Catalonia into two, two decades later. And now you see Spanish nationalists claiming for Gibraltar out loud but never saying moo about recovering Northern Catalonia, you can guess why.

[Damião de Góis]

Ius Semper is confusing periods of time, industrialization obviously began much later. But I'd say there clearly was some connection between the independence of Portugal and that of Catalonia, even if just mere strategical convenience, as both conflicts started at the same time. Most people don't know that Catalonia became independent at the beginning of 1641 for a short period of time, fighting the invasion of Castilian troops that had started two months before, eventually becoming a republic under French protection. The Portuguese Restoration war started with the coup taking place right after Castilian troops started invading Catalonia. Connection? The wars in 1640 against Spanish centralism in both sides of Iberia clearly meant two important different conflicts taking place at the same time within the Kingdom, apart from other conflicts in several other places. So yes, 1640 was a key year indeed. The national Catalan anthem is based on a song describing those facts. In your case, you recovered independence. Here, the result would end up in an agreement between the French and the Spanish kings to split Catalonia into two, two decades later. And now you see Spanish nationalists claiming for Gibraltar out loud but never saying moo about recovering Northern Catalonia, you can guess why.

Yes the Catalan revolt is mentioned on the Restoration War wiki page as an important factor for starting it. However, it lasted longer than the Catalan revolt. So while you can connect the two things at first, you can't establish a cause effect relation between the catalan revolt and portuguese independence (not saying you are, but this was discussed here earlier) since the Catalan revolt finnished some 10 years earlier. The spanish could still win the war if it was just a matter of resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Restoration_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Revolt

[Comte Arnau]

Yes the Catalan revolt is mentioned on the Restoration War wiki page as an important factor for starting it. However, it lasted longer than the Catalan revolt. So while you can connect the two things at first, you can't establish a cause effect relation between the catalan revolt and portuguese independence (not saying you are, but this was discussed here earlier) since the Catalan revolt finnished some 10 years earlier. The spanish could still win the war if it was just a matter of resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Restoration_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Revolt

Yes. Although the conflict didn't really end here in the year of the agreement, as you can guess.

Don't forget too that the population of the whole of Catalonia at that time was about 400.000 people. I don't know about Portugal, but I can guess the figures were very much higher.

[kkk77]

Turn on subtitles. Can you identify any words?

[Marusya]

French.